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To: philosofy123
"Religion according to our founding fathers should be a personal thing and not for the state to preach or be partial to. "

You are in disagreement with real Founding Fathers:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. "
- George Washington, Farewell Address 1796



"take care of their own log in their eyes before attempting to remove the spike in other people's eyes; we would be better off."
- uh huh, and you are NOT doing the exact same thing by preaching high-and-mighty to those who happen to behave in ways you dont approve. oh my!


"The Christ I know is a meek, forgiving humble Christ."

- Wow, you are a pretty old individual. fancy meeting Christ. Say, do you believe the Nicean creed, or are you a Cafeteria Christian?

"If some parents do not want their children to pray, they cannot be compelled to pray."
- Nor should any child be compelled to NOT pray in public.
52 posted on 09/09/2003 9:46:01 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG
I have no problem with Christian people praying before a meal, or before bed or in between classes. I personally conducted prayers in school between classes for all the students (Catholic schools in the fifties). My problem is with the born again hypocrites, and their two pet issues that destroyed the power of Christianity in this country; namely, abortion, and prayer in schools!

I see that you have neglected to comment on the resemblance of fanatical Islam to our fanatical born again gang.

If an Islamic woman thinks that god would love her more if she covers her hair, then all power to her. The fact that her father would beat her or the religious police would beat her to please that so called GOD, is simply subjugation, imposition, and down right stupid. Now let us jump from that extreme stupidity of Islamic fanatics, to your so called moral evangelical activists. Here we have school children, they can pray if they choose to, the school itself SHOULD NOT COMPELL them to pray. The ACLU, should be exposed for what they are-anti-Christians!

I never said anything about that our society should not have religion in public places. I am simply saying that humble meek Christians who behave in Christian way will be the beacon of light; that is how they know that you are my decuples, if you loved one another.

If the Alabama judge behaved like a Christian in his household, and most of his neighbors, and fellow citizens, we would not need to assert ourselves by imposing a stone on the courthouse. The Ten Commandments are known in everyone's heart. This superficial agitation is very similar to beating a Moslem girl for not covering her hair. The government and its power should NEVER be used to impose religion or the love of God. This must come from the individual heart, and from the family/church teaching.

I know that you don't understand a single word, and you are offended, but if you spend a few minutes reflecting on what I am trying to say, you MAY get it.

60 posted on 09/09/2003 11:23:28 AM PDT by philosofy123
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