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I'm shocked!

Walter Neves has done some good work in this area. I'll post some of his work as this thread progresses.

1 posted on 09/03/2003 4:42:50 PM PDT by blam
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'First Americans Were Australian'
2 posted on 09/03/2003 4:49:17 PM PDT by blam
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Please, do keep this coming. This stuff is fascinating. I've had a theory about 'our friends to the south' for years.

Thanks for rounding out a rather agonizing day on FreeRepublic. This stuff is great!
3 posted on 09/03/2003 4:50:11 PM PDT by EggsAckley (......No more debating with McClintBots who are NOT from California.........~</;o))
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Hmmmmm...did they find a tin of Fosters or 4X in the pit?
4 posted on 09/03/2003 4:50:16 PM PDT by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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Another good post. Thanks!

I'd like to see the results of DNA analysis though.
7 posted on 09/03/2003 5:17:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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the ancient people who lived on the long peninsula of Baja California probably became isolated from the rest of the north American population. This meant they retained the much older ancestral trait of a long and narrow skull.

Aha! A link!

9 posted on 09/03/2003 5:20:34 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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bump
12 posted on 09/03/2003 5:32:37 PM PDT by VOA
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Oh terrific. Instead of some Americans saying "give California back to Mexico," will the chant now change to "send the whole Southern left coast to the barbee in the Outback?"

Crikey.

15 posted on 09/03/2003 5:57:36 PM PDT by bd476 (Many attempts to communicate are nullified by saying too much. - Robert Greenleaf)
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17 posted on 09/03/2003 6:28:57 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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It takes practically no intelligence to say "G'day, mate." I'll guess these skulls were extremely small.
19 posted on 09/03/2003 6:40:54 PM PDT by T'wit
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Asians, Africans, Egyptians, Irish, Polynesians, Vikings, now Australians. I hope the scientists get it all sorted out so we can figure out who we have to pay reparations to.
20 posted on 09/03/2003 6:49:00 PM PDT by T'wit
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Weren't they pre-Americans, as in pre-historic?
23 posted on 09/03/2003 7:11:52 PM PDT by Consort
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Same discovery, different report from the Economist.

This report emphasizes that this research could not have been done in the United States, because of the PC restrictions imposed by the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. Note also that the Bush Administration continues to back the anti-science Clinton Administration position on taking Kennewick Man back from the scientists and giving him to the Indians for reburial, even though he wasn't an Indian.

Shapely skulls

Sep 4th 2003

From The Economist print edition

Geometry sheds new light on the first Americans

Who am I, anyway?

HOW and when did people first get to America? This is one of the most controversial topics in archaeology. A new analysis of 33 skulls from Baja California, by Rolando González-José of the University of Barcelona, and his collaborators, supports a recent theory that the first Americans were descended from southern Asians rather than Siberians, as had earlier been supposed. The ancestors of these “paleoamericans” are thought to have lived in southern Asia at least 40,000 years ago. Their descendants arrived on the American continent around 15,000 years ago, after “coasting” for generations round the northern Pacific (they coasted south too, according to this theory, and were also the ancestors of Australia's aboriginal population). They thus arrived before the ancestors of modern Amerindians, who crossed the Bering Straits 12,000 years ago.

The paleoamericans appear to have died out. There is no sign of them today. The question is: when did this happen? Up to now, the assumption has been: a long time ago. But Dr González-José begs to differ. The skulls he examined, thought to be from the Pericú tribal group, who were hunter-gatherers living near the southern tip of the Baja peninsula in early historic times, are a mere 2,000 years old. Yet they seem to be paleoamerican.

Although the skulls, stored at the National Museum of Anthropology in Mexico City and at the Regional Anthropological Museum of La Paz, were discovered over the course of the past three decades, Dr González-José's analysis, reported in this week's Nature, is the first to examine their geometry.

The researchers used two methods to analyse the skulls. The first employed 24 of the variables enumerated by William Howells, an archaeologist at Harvard who pioneered the statistical analysis of skulls in the 1970s. These variables include the length of the skull, the length of the face, and the width of the eye sockets. By comparing these measurements with those of known paleoamerican skulls, and of other populations, ancient and modern, Dr González-José inferred that the Pericú skulls are most similar to those of paleoamericans. The results of this analysis agreed with those from the more cutting-edge technique of “geometric morphometrics”, a computerised curve-fitting technique based on 14 points on the skull. Both methods link the paleoamericans to southern Asians and Pacific islanders, and likewise link modern-day Amerindians to Siberians.

Fortunately, by working in Mexico, Dr González-José's team did not meet with the difficulties currently plaguing archaeologists in the United States. The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, passed in 1990, has made it hard to study ancient skeletons found within the United States. It gives control of such discoveries to Amerindian tribes living in the area in which they are made, on the assumption that such old bones may have belonged to ancestors of people in these tribes. Only if the tribes agree are scientists allowed to study them.

Unfortunately, the law has been abused to stop the study of skeletons so old (and so physically unlike local inhabitants) that they could not possibly be ancestral to modern local people. Most famously, this has resulted in a seven-year court battle over Kennewick Man, a 9,400-year-old skeleton that has Caucasian rather than Amerindian features, and was found in Washington state. Though the scientists prevailed in August last year, the American government, which is supporting the claims of local tribes, has filed an appeal. The latest hearings, due on September 10th, may decide whether Kennewick Man will be allowed to shed any light on the debate that Dr González-José has just so elegantly illuminated.

40 posted on 09/18/2003 2:05:49 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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I am acquainted with Dr. Dillehay. Before I got my current job, I worked as a research analyst (fancy name for a principal lab tech) at the University of Kentucky dept. of Forestry. One of my duties was identifying samples of obscure wood. Dr. Dillehay sent over a very strange object that he found at the excavation site at Monte Verde. It had the structural features of a fine-grained softwood, but appeared to me made of lead sulfate, or some other dense, dark metal or metal ore. I never could identify it satisfactorily.
42 posted on 10/19/2003 5:55:44 AM PDT by Renfield
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