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To: Lurking Libertarian
Yes I'm familiar with Dan Evans and quatloos. It's the IRSS dis-information site. They will tell you what the IRSS wants you to know.
 
I believe  Dan and Irwin have in a public forum even recently debated about "income tax". If I'm not correct Dan was reduced to frustration and said that Irwin was "worse than a child molester". Now I wonder what USSC decision he got that from? Now if minion calls me the same, I'll know who his father is.

Previously this offer was made to Dan Evans by Irwin Schiff. I wonder if he ever excepted it?
 
I challenge you to reply and accept this offer via e-mail or in any other manner:
 
1) Identify the Code Section the requires Americans "to pay" income taxes in the same manner as, for example, Code Sections 4401, 5005, and 5703 require people to pay wagering, alcohol, and tobacco taxes. If you can produce such a Code Section, I will pay you $25, 000. If you fail to produce such a statute, or if the statute you produce does not "require" any such payment, you owe me $10,000. (Note: Since income is defined as an excise tax this is very fair.)
 
2) Produce the Code Section that makes Americans "liable" for income taxes, in the same manner as, for example, Code Sections 4374, 4401(c), 5061(a), and 5703(b) make them "liable" for insurance, wagering, liquor, and tobacco taxes. Do that, and I will pay you $25,000. However, if you fail to produce any such statute, or if the Code Section you produce, does not make them "liable," for income taxes, you owe me $10,000.(Note: Since income is defined as an excise tax this is very fair.)
 
3) Produce the Code Section that requires Americans to keep books and records for income tax purposes, in the same manner, for example, as Code Sections 4403, 5114, and 5741, require Americans to keep books and records for wagering, alcohol and tobacco taxes. Do that and I will pay you $25,000. However if you fail to identify any such statute, or if the statute you produce does not require Americans to keep books and records for income tax purposes, your owe me $10,000 (Note: Since income is defined as an excise tax this is very fair.)
 
4)Produce the Code Section that defines the meaning of "income" or specifically states that "wages" "salary" and or "compensation for personal services" are taxable as income –in the manner that these items were specifically identified in the 1939 Code as constituting "income," and I will pay you $25,000. However if you can not produce any such statute, or if the statute you identify as defining "income" does not do so, or if the statute you identify does not provide that "wages," "salary," or "compensation for personal service" are taxable as income, then you owe me $10,000.

IRS management does what it wants, to whom it wants, when it wants, how it wants with almost complete immunity,’ retired Internal Revenue Service official Tommy Henderson told the U.S. Senate Finance Committee."



423 posted on 09/19/2003 4:57:22 PM PDT by ifreemantoo
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To: ifreemantoo
Since Schiff welshes on his bets, I'm not surprised no one has taken him up on this. And his challenges are based on trivial, Clintonesque word games: for example, he asks for a section saying that "compensation for personal services" is taxable as income; the Internal Revenue Code actually says "compensation for services" (26 USC section 61). Thus, no one can give Irwin the exact wording he asks for, but only he thinks it makes any difference. Certainly the courts don't.
424 posted on 09/19/2003 5:11:31 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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