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To: ifreemantoo
Since Schiff welshes on his bets, I'm not surprised no one has taken him up on this. And his challenges are based on trivial, Clintonesque word games: for example, he asks for a section saying that "compensation for personal services" is taxable as income; the Internal Revenue Code actually says "compensation for services" (26 USC section 61). Thus, no one can give Irwin the exact wording he asks for, but only he thinks it makes any difference. Certainly the courts don't.
424 posted on 09/19/2003 5:11:31 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Now what bet did he welsh on. You like quoting "court cases" until the one that claims there was no offer. That is a little selective. Of course you have all sides of the story.
 
Unlike the 5 or 6 USSC decisions that states that "income tax" is an excise tax and all you can say is "I may be right". That's a little bit funny as that I'm not the USSC. I didn't say it I just pasted it that's all. As I'm sure you're well aware of the 4th vs. the 8th & 9th courts have differing opinions as to the I-TAX being an excise or direct tax. I thought the decision was finally settled. What the hell is going on here? If you read just a little on DAN EVANS dis-information site you'd find that he knows this discrepancy. If it's not that important then why make opinions about it. Now it appears you like to have it both ways your court decisions as long as they match your belief.
 
As for me it is plainly ridiculous that what appears to be an excise tax is levied "directly" as MAC and minion both write and call it direct. All those court decisions claiming it to be an excise tax is just one big lie. But, as the USSC said it is, so that's what it is. I live with it but, I don't like it one bit. The blatant obvious absurdity of a direct tax being an excise tax and those that pretend it's ok is simply beyond reasonable understanding.
 
What's even further ridiculous is that I can argue that it is  a direct tax (certainly better than minion can). I shouldn't be able to. Why because our entire taxes are based on the two short simple quotes below. It is not that complicated.
 
 
From our Constitution
 
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union
 
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
 
In about 75 words this is what our taxes are all about.
 
To get over such a simple concept you need courts to ignore, destroy and side step around this very simple insurance of your freedom called apportionment.  This simple concept was designed to keep government limited, small and as a servant government which is what Libertarians and Conservative supposedly wants.  It is hardly that now.  The only real effective way to control the Federal dog is to stop feeding it.
 
You now have a mountain of paper in court decisions and laws to get around apportioned taxes. If you could look over the mountain you might see that your freedom has been stolen. What appears to be security and comfort that has been offered and accepted will soon reveal its chains of slavery.
 
Here is a new one for you. It's called
USSC-WeatherToday.gov according to this web site they have judged the weather in the middle east coast to be sunny and 85 today. "That large swirling mass of clouds with a center in it is just a glitch in our system please disregard. If you have travel plans to the east coast no probelmo. So decreed." USSC.

Now let's see can you tell me what does "shall" mean in Code Section 6012. Does it mean "may" or does it mean "required"?

IRS management does what it wants, to whom it wants, when it wants, how it wants with almost complete immunity,’ retired Internal Revenue Service official Tommy Henderson told the U.S. Senate Finance Committee."


425 posted on 09/19/2003 7:10:01 PM PDT by ifreemantoo
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