Posted on 09/01/2003 4:10:28 PM PDT by TIElniff
LOL Ya know, now that you mention it, might be fun to watch...
I too support a National Sales Tax in lieu of the income tax but it would have to be designed very carefully.
There are currently two bills in Congress on a NRST. Also two web sites supporting such a move. I'm thinking about jumping into the frey with at least one of these groups. Haven't made up my mind yet until I'm sure of how the downsides are covered. I've listed some of the benefits on this thread, but there are several others as well. My sense is that a transitional approach would be more acceptable than a complete switch at one time.
Wouldn't doubt that about embarrassing government documents. Plenty around. But I'm sure I've seen just about all of the various issues on this thread alone. So I'll pass. But good luck.
IRS management does what it wants, to whom it wants, when it wants, how it wants with almost complete immunity, retired Internal Revenue Service official Tommy Henderson told the U.S. Senate Finance Committee."
Funny that not a single decision in these 90 years has found that taxing income from salaries and wages is unconstitutional.
It took a few years for Pollock to come around. A lie no matter how long it is portrayed or believed is still a lie.
"taxing income from salaries and wages is unconstitutional".
Let me clarify one point here. Taxing salaries and wages is constitutional when levied as an excise tax through uniformity. For the millionth time it is about the application and administration of this law.
Seems that pesky old 16th has withstood the test of time.
I hope the 16th stays around forever. The understanding of it has been severely challenged in this forum.
And lets be serious and not try parsing meanings.
As you know I'm very serious. The parsing of words was and is not my doing and not even your doing.
Of course, a tax on wages is a direct tax.
Yes, again that is how it is levied as a direct tax.
But since it's also income, that old 16th permits taxation without apportionment.
Yes it is income. Yes again as an excise tax.
Where do I file for my refunds for these past years?
How about WWW.PAYNOINCOMETAX.COM. If you want a book that shows what the gubbermint has said and put in print about taxes the "Federal Mafia" is very good even if you don't agree with him. There is some awful embarrassing gubbermint documents that have been reproduced. I think I'd ban the book if I were the government. It's to revealing. If you get this book and still believe it's garbage keep it anyway. If the gubbermint allows the lifted ban to continue, well you can just sell that $38.00 book for up to $300.00 on ebay for those of you who are enterprising.
If you want historical content then the "Great Income Tax Hoax" is very good but a hard read.
But then maybe you're right.
If one thing I fault Schiff for he is eternally optimistic. I don't think anyone should jump and decide to thumb there nose at the gubbermint without understanding what they are doing or why. It may be a matter of timing. It may be that some shouldn't even try.
I do believe though that if you pay the bill you should know why. If you accept that you must go along, at least you knew there was a choice.
"Freedom is the ability to keep what you produce." Irwin Schiff.- "The Great Income Tax Hoax"
And section 861b determines how to determine taxable income within the US because some items of gross income in section 61 are not taxable by the US government because of the US Constitution.Did the IRS tell you that?I don't think so because they are decievers!Go to www.861.info for a real honest EXPOSE of the US income tax system "fraud".Watch a flash presentation of what lawyers,former IRS agents,a federal prosecutor,cpa's and many more have to say.Another 19 year vet just left the IRS because he knows they are a fraud and many IRS are getting ready to QUIT over the evidence.The IRS has Grossly changed the meaning of taxable income and there is no definition of income in the IRS manuals nor title 26 folks.Even the supreme ordered Congree Not to define income.If Congress can't define income,they have no right to your money because it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL and it's really a head tax.
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