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To: Cvengr; Dr Warmoose; lockeliberty; CCWoody; Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej; Wrigley; ...
When Christ died on the Cross, being a perfect man, body, soul and spirit, He had a perfect Spirit which could be sacrificed to make atonement for the original sin.

You deny the Atonement with that statement. It wasn't Christ's Spirit that bought forgiveness of sin, it was the death of His physical body!

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1Pe 2:21-24)

Now, how did that get in there??? Shoots your little theory all to hell, doesn't it?

The universal position that all of man's works are unrighteous fails to give credit to the work of Christ and the efficacious grace of the Holy Spirit.

Where did you cut and paste this from? You haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about. You are denying the Atonement, and what it did, with this Gnostic crap. Your thelogy (and I use the term loosely) is Pelagian and gnostic, and is doubly heresy.

239 posted on 09/02/2003 1:06:41 AM PDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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To: nobdysfool
..Your theology (and I use the term loosely) is Pelagian and gnostic, and is doubly heresy...

Strike 2, The points I have made are neither gnostic nor Pelagian. There seems to be a weakness for those who have begun their studies in systematic theology from Calvinist leaning doctrines to hastily label any understanding of Scripture other than Calvinism to only fall into the camp of Pelagian, Arminian, Gnostic, or Univeral theologies.

241 posted on 09/02/2003 2:56:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: nobdysfool
WRT 1Pe 2:21-24, Thank You for posting the Scriptural testimony which reasserts the Universal Atonement. Obviously not the flesh which was the sacrifice. It had been scarred. But the spirit indwelling the flesh identified with self and the soul, which remained perfect.
242 posted on 09/02/2003 3:01:56 AM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: nobdysfool
Once again,...The universal position that all of man's works are unrighteous fails to give credit to the work of Christ and the efficacious grace of the Holy Spirit.

All of the Calvinist leanings to declare universally that man has no righteous work, are only supportted by Scripture referenceing the unregenerate man, the natural man, the degenerate fallen man.

Again, the statement that all men are unrighteous does not apply to the work of those who are believers, acting in fellowship with God. The universal statement applies to all persons who are within the set of 'man', including Jesus Christ Himself who is God incarnate and is now resurrected.

244 posted on 09/02/2003 3:09:32 AM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: nobdysfool
Now, how did that get in there??? Shoots your little theory all to hell, doesn't it?

Universal salvation, remember? Not even theories go to hell anymore :)

250 posted on 09/02/2003 5:28:24 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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