"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

[thoughtomator]

Nope, it's you that looks like an idiot with a cynical, deliberate misinterpretation of Santorum's remarks, which seems to be based in a perverse urge to expunge moral belief systems from the public shphere, a la ACLU phonies. When you make wild accusations with no facts to back them up, you only damage your own name.

[xzins]

Canada lines up.

:>)

[thoughtomator]

bleh... "sphere" yada yada

[Jorge]

Are you libertarian? Or close to being so?

I guess it depends on the issue.

I am actually a Democrat turned Republican thanks to Reagan, and perhaps partially due to my Christian conversion in my late teens.

I consider myself mostly conservative, but I'm sure many here would disagree with that.

[xzins]

I'm waiting for an answer from Jorge. I think he's a libertarian Christian.

Many responses are Christian. Now that I think of it, his political responses are all libertarian.

Libertarian Christian is an extremely difficult balance. It's virtually impossible to be consistent, imho.

Take it easy on him for a while longer.

[keats5]

"They should form a new faith and worhip a bisexual God."

They don't want a new faith. They just want to destroy ours.

[KriegerGeist]

Now, how do they justify this writing of the Apostle Paul to the Corinthians?
Corinth was a place where sex was a form of worship and sex and church went together. Priests and priestesses were there to be done to or be done by according to history. So Paul, who started the church there wrote them this letter.

1 Corinthians 6:13-20

13. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
14. By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.
15. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!
16. Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."
17. But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
18. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
19. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20. you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

Seems like the "Sexually Inclusive Church" wants to turn the Apostle Paul's work a 180 degrees and make the "Church" back into the former "Corinth" instead of turning the of Corinthians into a "Church."

[Frumanchu]

I think the full preterists would have to revise some verses like Isaiah 11:6...

"The wolf also shall dwell with the wolf, and the leopard shall lie down with the leopard; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling polyamorously together..."

(I intentionally left out the 'little child' part...don't wanna go there)

[xzins]

The libertarians I know best consider themselves conservative. With a twist, of course.

[xzins]

Amen, Ghost Warrior.

They toss Paul from scripture. While they think I Cor is authentically Paul's, they don't accept Paul's apostleship.

[xzins]

:>)

[Jorge]

Nope, it's you that looks like an idiot with a cynical, deliberate misinterpretation of Santorum's remarks, which seems to be based in a perverse urge to expunge moral belief systems from the public shphere, a la ACLU phonies. When you make wild accusations with no facts to back them up, you only damage your own name.

Give me a major break.

Show me where I misinterpreted Santorum's remarks.
The fact is you can't.

He clearly addressed the issue of privacy when it came to sex between consenting adults in the context of the sodomy case...and warned about the "dangers" of saying adultery and homosexuality were OK.

Now unless he was advocating the sex police busting down the bedroom doors of consenting adults and arresting them for acts of adultery and homosexuality, then his point is moot. And he should have thought before he spoke.

[xzins]

I forget whose theory it is (carepubgal) but she has noticed that these groups go after "hierarchical denominations" that own the property of their member churches. She sees it as an effort to accrue power and wealth and immoral license.

[Jorge]

The libertarians I know best consider themselves conservative. With a twist, of course.

That twist would be that I disagree with libertarians on these boards on many issues. For example, I am against the legalization of pot and other drugs.
On what issues do you think I am libertarian?

[Happy2BMe]

Put me on your ping list please.

2 Timothy 3
¹   This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
²   For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
³   Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
⁴   Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
⁵   Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
⁶   For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
⁷   Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
⁸   Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
⁹   But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
¹⁰   But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
¹¹   Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
¹²   Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
¹³   But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
¹⁴   But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
¹⁵   And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
¹⁶   All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
¹⁷   That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

[xzins]

Santorum v. homosexuality and State v. 10 commandments.

[thoughtomator]

The point is not moot. It's a powerful, compelling statement on the direction of our culture, just the kind of truth that we say we want to know from our politicians. And if you care for freedom, you should be far more alarmed at yet another "right" being interpreted into the Constitution at the whim of the courts - at least as alarmed as Sen. Santorum, enough to say something about it.

He turned out to be totally correct. Since Lawrence v. Texas we have been buried in a virtual avalanche of homosexual initiatives and propoganda. The attack on the institution of marriage alone has the potential to do grievous damage to this country, to say nothing of the damage that is done to people who are encouraged to pursue their own degradation.

Whether you agree with it or not, the question you ask is within the rights of the States to answer. If they choose to prohibit homosexuality and adultery, it is their right to do so. To attack the entire notion of legislating on those matters runs in contravention with millenia of history. Doing so therefore puts the burden of proof on you to make your case. When you simply spit epithets instead of presenting a reasonable case, your remarks cannot be considered to be rational argument.

[glory]

Kolodny, an author and former national coordinator for The National Bisexual Network, was leading a workshop called “Blessed Bi Spirit: Bisexual People of Faith.” Although focusing mostly on bisexuality, Kolodny, who is Jewish, explained that she could not conclude the session without discussing polyamory.
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Ok, let's forget for a moment about all of the passages that deal with sexual promiscuity and unnatural sexual behaviors. Do homosexuals believe in idols? Did they ever consider that the fact that they are so focused on their sexuality is perhaps making an idol out of it?

I am so sick of these people, I really am. There seems to be no boundary to the kind of sexual deviancies they are willing to endorse. What is next--a one-night stand is holy and monogamous at least for a few hours? Perhaps a rape is holy in some way? How about child molestation? Sick bastards! What's even more mind boggling is the fact that anyone who does not engage in these activities and calls themselves Christian would agree to it.

[xzins]

Done, H2. Lovers of selves: narcissism is the primary explanation of "homosexual disorder." HD is a form of narcissistic personality disorder.

[lupie]

It makes me breathe, "Come quickly Lord Jesus."

Amen! That article just made me want to weep for what is being done to the True Word of God and His Truth. Sometimes it is almost too hard to believe it is happening so fast.

In Jesus alone,
Andra