Posted on 08/27/2003 2:00:45 PM PDT by yonif
Okay dude, the Holocaust happened because Jews failed to listen to prophets talking about Jesus. You are laughable.
The most accurate (IMO) description of the birth of Christianity that I've heard was that it was a 'schism' in Judaism.
My understanding, if they're honest, that would be a small number.
It is not fair to say that a Jew that converts to Christianity is no longer a Jew.
Ahh, yes, the embodiment of the Nuremburg laws.
Kind of flys in the face of evangelism doesn’t it?
Shouldn’t potential Jewish converts be warned that, while they may accept Jesus as the messiah, when it’s convenient, they’re Jews.
Has it changed its approach in the last few years? It used to be that all they did was stand on street corners and hand out leaflets that explained how Jesus fulfilled the Jewish prophecies of a Messiah. They answered questions, and put up with a lot of abuse from people who didn't understand what they were doing. They were accused of being "traitors" to their Jewishness.
But, if I recall correctly, Jesus was a Jew, preached and taught to Jews, lived in a Jewish world, read the Torah in Jewish synagogues, and died as a Jew.
Laugh if you will, but God in the Bible considered Himself to be the Jews protector. There were a lot of warnings to the Jews about being sent into exile if they didn't obey Him and listen to Him. And there were also warnings about having their protection removed. I'm not saying that God caused the Holocaust, but without God's intervention and protection, evil people can do some really nasty things. You can't be familiar with the Old Testament at all and miss this theme.
Luke19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. - Jesus
Deuteronomy 32:38 - Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
>Leviticus 25:18 - Wherefore ye shall do my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; and ye shall dwell in the land in safety. 19 - And the land shall yield her fruit, and ye shall eat your fill, and dwell therein in safety.
Deuteronomy 12:10 - But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
>Proverbs 1:33 - But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
>Jeremiah 32:37 - Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
>Ezekiel 34:28 - And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
1 Kings 8:46 - If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near; 47 Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness; 48 - And so return unto thee with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, which led them away captive, and pray unto thee toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, the city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name:
Jeremiah 9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem. 10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing. 11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear. ...16 Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness. 17 But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD's flock is carried away captive. 18 Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory. 19 The cities of the south shall be shut up, and none shall open them: Judah shall be carried away captive all of it, it shall be wholly carried away captive. 20 Lift up your eyes, and behold them that come from the north: where is the flock that was given thee, thy beautiful flock? 21 What wilt thou say when he shall punish thee? for thou hast taught them to be captains, and as chief over thee: shall not sorrows take thee, as a woman in travail? 22 And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare. 23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. 24 Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness. 25 This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.
It's rather hard for Jews to understand. Perhaps its just the name. They are not "Jews for Jesus", they are Christians for Jesus. Mort "Moishe" Rosen, the founder of Jews for Jesus, is a minister ordained in 1957, who has led Christian congregations. This is not a Jewish group. So why the word games? Very silly, but I guess he must have had a history in marketing beforehand. I have no problem with it, and don't understand the nasty replies, just trying to explain why some Jews get so irritated with JFJ.
Exactly. What's with the phony name?
LOL, that's a wicked combination...
LOL, that's a wicked combination...
Actually, there's a theory that the Kali-worshipping Thuggee killers were descended from the remnants of Hassan-i-Sabbah's Ismailite Assassin cult. So a connection and precedent may exist, weird as it seems.
........at your post and claims.
Saying that anyone who doesn't practice the Jewish religion is not a Jew, is like saying that anyone who isn't Anglican is not English.
What makes you think that Jew refers only to the religion and not the people of Jewish heritage? Jew after all is derived from Judah which was one of the twelve tribes of Israel. It's been used to describe descendants of Judah and Israel for at least 2500 years, regardless of their religion.
I didn't know that, but it does make sense, now that I think about it. Considering the behavior patterns and all.
ok, you can do that. But I'm curious what you find so funny? Is it...
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