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Report: U.S suspects Iraqi WMD in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley
Drudge via World Tribune ^ | Monday, August 25, 2003

Posted on 08/25/2003 12:12:28 PM PDT by RoughDobermann

U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.

Unfortunately, getting to them will be nearly impossible for the United States and its allies, because the containers with the strategic materials are not in Iraq.

Instead they are located in Lebanon's heavily-fortified Bekaa Valley, swarming with Iranian and Syrian forces, and Hizbullah and ex-Iraqi agents, Geostrategy-Direct.com will report in tomorrow's new weekly edition.

U.S. intelligence first identified a stream of tractor-trailer trucks moving from Iraq to Syria to Lebaon in January 2003. The significance of this sighting did not register on the CIA at the time.

U.S. intelligence sources believe the area contains extended-range Scud-based missiles and parts for chemical and biological warheads.

Mutually-lucrative Iraqi-Syrian arms transactions are nothing new. Firas Tlas, son of Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlas, has been the key to Syria's rogue alliance with Iraq. He and Assad made hundreds of millions of dollars selling weapons, oil and drugs to and from Iraq, according to the May 13, 2003 edition of Geostrategy-Direct.com.

The CIA now believes a multi-million dollar deal between Iraq and Syria provided for the hiding and safekeeping of Saddam's strategic weapons.

Not surprisingly, U.S. inquiries in Beirut and Syria are being met with little substantive response, U.S. officials said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bekaa; bekaavalley; iraq; israel; lebanon; mohammedanism082003; saddam; syria; wmd; wot
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To: RoughDobermann
"...The significance of this sighting did not register on the CIA at the time....."

Yeah, they thought it was the Good Humor man selling ice cream. The dumbing down of the CIA = (Clinton Intelligence Agency) has been truly horrible. I sure hope that they at least kept all the spy satellite photos over Lebanon.

Time to call up that fat greaseball Richardson to help out with the investigation - perhaps the photos were lost behind the copier machine.
141 posted on 08/25/2003 1:50:26 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: alpowolf
Blair claimed that an attack could be made within 45 minutes of the order being given. As such they could not have been too deeply hidden if this were true.

He was speaking in the same way that the military always speaks when you don't know where each weapon is deployed - especially when even a few dozen can have a significant effect. Did we know they had WMDs? Yes. Did we know that they had weapon systems designed to be pulled out of their crates and launched within 45 minutes of the local soldiers being told to do so? Yes. Do we know exactly how he has tehm deployed on a given day? No, and it really doesn't matter unless we can confirm they've set up to launch...in which case, we don't bother to take it to Congress, or to the people - the President takes immediate action and explains it later.

142 posted on 08/25/2003 1:50:26 PM PDT by lepton
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To: billbears
I fail to even begin to see the comparisons between the two events

Perhaps you've heard of the expression: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

143 posted on 08/25/2003 1:52:10 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: RoughDobermann
Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.
144 posted on 08/25/2003 1:52:56 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: RoughDobermann
Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.
145 posted on 08/25/2003 1:53:02 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: RoughDobermann
Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.
146 posted on 08/25/2003 1:53:30 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: RoughDobermann
Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.
147 posted on 08/25/2003 1:53:54 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: RoughDobermann
Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.
148 posted on 08/25/2003 1:54:38 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: RoughDobermann
Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.
149 posted on 08/25/2003 1:55:10 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper
Whoa! Nice sixer! Come on! Go for seven! ;-)
150 posted on 08/25/2003 1:55:54 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: billbears
"I fail to even begin to see the comparisons between the two events."

You are claiming that it was immoral for the United States to support Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war because Saddam was a brutal dictator.

But Stalin was a brutal dictator, and yet no one claims that Stalin being a mass murderer should have prevented us from Alligning ourselves with the USSR after Hitler invaded Russia.

Taking your logic to it's logical conclusion, if it was wrong to form an alliance with Saddam against Iran, then it was ALSO wrong to ally ourselves with Stalin against Hitler.
151 posted on 08/25/2003 1:56:18 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Jumper
...Syria now sees the heat turned up in the American/International press against her, while the temperature begins to drop in desert making it a cool bet the US just might attack.....

The trouble with your sixer, is that the article states that this stuff traversed Syria and is now in Lebanon.

But, who cares, it sounds like the desert may be a new MOAB training ground.
152 posted on 08/25/2003 1:59:28 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"Don't hold your breath. I think we're done warring for a while."

I think you're right. The American public doesn't have the stomach for another fight at this time (the military does, but the people don't). I hate to admit it, but we as a people don't have the collective stones to suffer any prolonged discomfort or anxiety. I saw it during Vietnam (USAF vet here, 1970-1974). The troops were willing, but when we have no support back home, there is little incentive to fight on.
153 posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:49 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: billbears
Kay comes out and promises he may tell us something in September

Kay said he will give a report in September.

Prairie

154 posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:49 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (The UN got a wake up call. And has chosen to go back to sleep.)
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To: TUX
Assad has his tits in a wringer.

Yep...the twin towers of Dam-ass-cus....

155 posted on 08/25/2003 2:06:30 PM PDT by O Neill (Oh we're out here havin' fun, in the warm California sun...)
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To: billbears
Fact is, your arguments leave out many salient elements that have been described many times here and elsewhere. Sorry to see that you are a democrat at heart as your ancestors most likely were in party affiliation.
156 posted on 08/25/2003 2:12:14 PM PDT by rmgatto
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To: Montfort
"If we had had Rush Limbaugh and Fox News during Vietnam, who knows, we might have actually won that one."

We were NEVER defeated militarily in Vietnam. Our leaders surrendered, we (the military) did not.
157 posted on 08/25/2003 2:12:41 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: RoughDobermann
Just posted this on another thread...

Debka reported this months ago. The source was Israeli intelligence. This was also reported by World Net Daily. Also to add fuel to the fire...

The powerful blast that reverberated across eastern and central Lebanon Sunday, December 29, was caused by the explosion of a big surface missile in Hizballah hands and of Iraqi origin. Reporting this, DEBKAfile’s exclusive military and Lebanese sources reveal that the Lebanese Shiite terrorist group has recently taken delivery of a shipment of surface missiles, presumed to be medium-range, from the Iraqi army. The blast occurred at a Hizballah training camp near a village called Janta in the northeastern section of the Beqaa Valley close to the Syrian frontier. This camp is also used by the group as a testing ground for new weapons, short range missiles and explosive devices. The blast was heard at a distance of 20 km indicating a warhead of one ton at least. According to our sources, the missile exploded suddenly, catching the Hizballah team handling it unawares and causing a large number of casualties, as indicated by the long line of ambulances and rescue teams reported by witnesses to be racing to the blast scene from northern and central Lebanon. Among them were Syrian military rescue vehicles. The Hizballah quickly sealed off the ravaged area, allowing no one through but the rescue teams, their own operatives and Syrian officers.

Debka

If it is true that the CIA also ignored this evidence that was staring them in the face, it is just more proof that we need to fire everyone in the CIA and start over...I am still mad about the following...

An unsigned CIA memo on Oct. 5 advised that "the CIA had reservations about the British reporting" on Iraq's alleged attempts in Niger, Hadley said. A second memo, sent on Oct. 6, elaborated on the CIA's doubts, describing "some weakness in the evidence," such as the fact that Iraq already had a large stock of uranium and probably wouldn't need more, Hadley said.

Source

While the uranium he had was not enriched...don't forget about the centrifuge found in the rose garden.

Also of interest in this is the following story....

Washington---The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) continues to misstate the degree of success it achieved on dismantling Saddam Hussein’s covert nuclear-bomb program during nuclear inspections in Iraq between 1991 and 1998, according to an analysis by the Nuclear Control Institute (NCI), a non-proliferation research and advocacy center.

“IAEA’s recent claims that they have ‘neutralized [Iraq’s] nuclear-weapon program’ and ‘destroyed all their key buildings and equipment’ related to weaponization are patently false, and the Agency’s own inspection reports prove it,” said Steven Dolley, NCI research director.

On September 26, IAEA challenged a statement by President Bush that the IAEA had concluded Iraq was six months away from acquiring nuclear weapons in 1998. An IAEA spokesman stated that no such IAEA report existed.[1] The Agency also took issue with the conclusion of a report by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), released earlier this month. The IISS report posited that if Iraq “were to obtain fissile material from abroad --- steal it or buy it in some way --- we certainly believe [Saddam] has the ability to put together a nuclear weapon very quickly, in a matter of months.”[2]

In response, IAEA spokesman Mark Gwozdecky declared:

I don’t know where they [IISS] have determined that Iraq has retained this much weaponization capability because when we left in December ’98 we had concluded that we had neutralized their nuclear-weapons program. We had confiscated their fissile material. We had destroyed all their key buildings and equipment.[3]

Additionally, on September 30 IAEA spokesperson Melissa Fleming claimed that, prior to the inspectors’ withdrawal in late 1998, IAEA had “uncovered Iraq’s secret nuclear program, and we dismantled it. We were successful last time. If we get unfettered access, we will be successful again.”[4]

“For IAEA to claim that they ‘neutralized’ Saddam’s nuclear weaponization capability is dangerously inaccurate, and muddies the waters of the Iraq debate,” said Dolley. “Since 1997, the Agency has operated under the assumption that Iraq could successfully fabricate a working nuclear bomb if they managed to acquire a sufficient amount of fissile material. The Agency’s latest statement correctly points out that no one outside Iraq knows the current status of Iraq’s nuclear-bomb program, in large part because there have been no inspections in nearly four years. But for IAEA to suggest that it completely eliminated Iraq’s weaponization capability prior to 1998 is irresponsible in the extreme. The Agency should recant this statement.”

Several Iraqi nuclear weapons facilities and much equipment were indeed dismantled or destroyed by U.N. inspectors between 1991 and 1998. However, substantial and significant issues about Iraq’s ability to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program remained unresolved when the inspectors left the country.

Dolley, citing IAEA’s own inspection reports as documentation, said: “Iraq has never surrendered to inspectors its two completed designs for a nuclear bomb, nuclear-bomb components such as explosive lenses and neutron initiators that it is known to have possessed, or almost any documentation of its efforts to enrich uranium to bomb-grade using gas centrifuges, devices which are small and readily concealed from reconnaissance.”[5] Moreover, IAEA has previously conceded that Iraq’s weaponization R&D---small-scale technical research devoted to the design of a nuclear bomb’s components---is not readily detected by means of inspections. IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei stated in 1998 that “no matter how comprehensive the inspection, any country-wide verification process, in Iraq or anywhere else, has a degree of uncertainty that aims to verify the absence of readily concealable objects such as small amounts of nuclear material or weapons components.”[6]

The IAEA’s own guidelines for the safeguarding of highly enriched uranium and separated plutonium gives the conversion time for transforming these materials into weapons components as on the order of seven to ten days or one to three weeks, depending on the form the materials are in (metal, oxide or nitrate) when the materials are acquired by means of diversion or theft.[7] Thus, Iraq could be capable of producing a nuclear weapon in less than a month with sufficient diverted or stolen fissile material if it has managed to fabricate and conceal all of the non-nuclear components of a weapon.

IAEA’s recent statement that the Agency had “neutralized [Iraq’s] nuclear-weapons program” suggests that by 1998, IAEA had effectively eliminated Iraq’s ability to weaponize---that is, to manufacture and assemble the components needed for a working nuclear bomb, lacking only fissile material (plutonium or highly enriched uranium) to fuel it. This is simply not the case, and IAEA’s own previous findings directly contradict this claim. IAEA’s plans for ongoing monitoring in Iraq (discontinued in December 1998 when the inspectors left the country and were not allowed to return) were, as Director-General ElBaradei noted in June 1998, “predicated on the assumption that Iraq has the technical ability to design and construct a nuclear weapon and takes into account the large intellectual resource in Iraq in the corps of scientists and engineers who worked in Iraq's clandestine nuclear program.”[8]

The Agency’s own October 1997 review of its inspections in Iraq concluded that "Iraqi programme documentation records substantial progress in many important areas of nuclear weapon development, making it prudent to assume that Iraq has developed the capability to design and fabricate a basic fission weapon, based on implosion technology and fueled by highly enriched uranium."[9]

IAEA MISSTATES ITS RECORD ON DISMANTLING SADDAM’S NUCLEAR-BOMB PROGRAM

158 posted on 08/25/2003 2:22:38 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: rmgatto
Sorry to see that you are a democrat at heart as your ancestors most likely were in party affiliation.

Indeed they were, before the 'recent unpleasantness', all conservatives were

159 posted on 08/25/2003 2:23:28 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: RoughDobermann
CIA missed this sign in Arabic too:

All MUNITION AND CHEMICAL TRUCKS:

FORM SINGLE FILE

STAY ON THIS ROAD

WATCH FOR SIGNS

160 posted on 08/25/2003 2:27:28 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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