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To: Pokey78
Wheter or not we agree with a ruling, if we refuse to abide by it, aren't we advocating anarchy? I thought we had to abide by all the laws, not simply the ones that we agree with. There are legal challenges that may be undertaken to overturn a lae or decision if they are truly unjust, that's what makes this country so great. Just a thought.
49 posted on 08/22/2003 3:00:52 PM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore (search), who has fought to keep a Ten Commandments (search) monument in the rotunda of the state's Judicial Building, will be suspended for 10 days, Fox News has learned.

A federal judge had decided the 5,300-pound granite marker violated the Constitution's ban on government promotion of a religious doctrine.

The monument "will be taken out very soon," said state Attorney General Bill Pryor on Fox News' "DaySide." "We have an obligation to uphold the rule of law."

Lawyers seeking removal of the monument had previously told U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson they would not press to have Moore held in contempt for refusing to move it.

The lawyers also said Friday they would not seek to have the state fined, telling Thompson on a conference call that they were convinced the monument would be out of the state building by next week despite the resistance of Moore.

• Video: Interview With Roy Moore

"Our concern all along has been compliance with the constitution. Once the monument has been removed, our concerns will have been addressed," said attorney Ayesha Khan, who participated in the call.

After Thompson's deadline had passed, Moore's eight associate justices on the state's high court on Thursday ordered the granite marker taken out of the rotunda. But court officials were still trying to determine where it might go in the building and if the area would allow proper security.

About 40 demonstrators remained outside to support Moore, who installed the monument in the rotunda where visitors can easily see it and refused to move it even after Thompson ruled that the public display violated a constitutional ban on government promotion of religious doctrine.

Moore contends it is a proper acknowledgment of God and the moral foundation of American law.

"What this federal judge has said is that we cannot acknowledge God," Moore told Fox News on Friday. "My battle is not with the justices of the court, my colleagues, my battle is with the federal government, who has come in and told us how to think, who we can believe in."

He spoke Friday with the Alabama Judicial Building's manager, Graham George, who was instructed by other justices to carry out the removal. The conversation took place near the monument, but it wasn't known what the men discussed. George hasn't said when, how or where the monument will be moved.

An organizer of pro-Moore demonstrations, Patrick Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition (search), said Friday the demonstrations would continue as long as the monument is still in the building.

"Our message is clear. We are going to peacefully block the way if they try to move it," Mahoney said.

Pryor, speaking for the eight associate justices, told Thompson on the conference call that building officials were considering potential security problems because of the ongoing demonstrations as they sought the best location for the monument, according to Khan. Khan is an attorney for Americans United for Separation of Church and State (search), one of the groups seeking removal of the monument.

Under Thompson's order, the monument could go in Moore's office. But according to Khan, Moore said it was too heavy.

The supporters kept vigil Friday morning from sleeping bags and bedrolls strewn outside the building.

The Rev. Herman Henderson of Believers' Tabernacle in Birmingham opted to nap on the concrete with his head resting on sheet music for the song, "I Shall Not Be Moved."

They remained quiet throughout the night, prompting police to retreat to their post across the street.

Lawyers suing to remove the monument also have filed a complaint with the state Judicial Inquiry Commission, citing Moore's refusal to obey a court order to move the monument.

The complaint alleges Moore violated canons of judicial ethics. The commission, which operates like a grand jury, met Friday behind closed doors. It can send a case to the Court of the Judiciary, which holds trials and has the power to discipline and remove judges.

Richard Cohen, a Southern Poverty Law Center attorney who is representing plaintiffs, said those filing the complaint against Moore were not asked to meet with the commission. He said Moore was given an opportunity to meet with the commission Friday, but it wasn't immediately known if he did.

One demonstrator, retired Birmingham school teacher Murray Phillips, said she knows the monument will probably be gone from the rotunda soon.

"I'm upset, but I'm not surprised. At least I am going to be able to say to my grandchildren that at least I tried to do something," Phillips said.

Fox News' Orlando Salinas and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

64 posted on 08/22/2003 3:03:51 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: BritExPatInFla
Wheter or not we agree with a ruling, if we refuse to abide by it, aren't we advocating anarchy? I thought we had to abide by all the laws, not simply the ones that we agree with. There are legal challenges that may be undertaken to overturn a lae or decision if they are truly unjust, that's what makes this country so great. Just a thought

I agree with you.

I am in complete agreement with Judge Moore's position that the Constitution does not prohibit the State of Alabama from displaying the Commandments. But it is fundamental to the rule of law that a valid court order be obeyed even if its wrong. For the State's highest judicial officer to ignore a court order is a very bad thing - what kind of example is he setting for ordinary citizens who disagree with a judge's ruling? He should take his appeal to the SCOTUS.

79 posted on 08/22/2003 3:08:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: BritExPatInFla
Wheter or not we agree with a ruling, if we refuse to abide by it, aren't we advocating anarchy?

There are such things as unconstitutional or immoral orders which men are not compelled to obey. When placed in a position of being forced to obey an unconstitutional abridgment of religious freedom, a man is not only allowed to disobey, he is compelled to do so.

There is absolutely nothing in the United States Constitution forbidding public display of the Ten Commandments in a public building. There never has been such a prohibition and, indeed, many public buildings make reference to God in words inscribed into their architectures.

An offense against an arbitrary and immoral ruling of man is nothing as compared to an affront to the God of Abraham, to whom we owe our very life's breath. The God of Abraham delivered the Ten Commandments to us through Moses and we should hold in contempt any man proclaiming that we have no allegiance to convey and follow those Commandments.

Do not fear anarchy. Fear the tyranny of wicked men who deny God's authority over them and would have us worship at the same altar of their blasphemy.

Believers should be happy to perish by the sword rather than mock God and His Commandments.

God will bless Judge Moore and those who stand with him in obedience to the Almighty.

259 posted on 08/22/2003 4:17:30 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: BritExPatInFla
Wheter or not we agree with a ruling, if we refuse to abide by it, aren't we advocating anarchy? I thought we had to abide by all the laws, not simply the ones that we agree with. There are legal challenges that may be undertaken to overturn a lae or decision if they are truly unjust, that's what makes this country so great. Just a thought.

Remember the Boston Tea Party?

278 posted on 08/22/2003 4:23:58 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: BritExPatInFla
It is not advocating anarchy to disobey laws we disagree with. It is inviting the government to burn down a compound (ala Waco), and I'm sure Judge Moore knows the consequences of his following of his conscience. This is a great day for God! It is time for Americans to wake up and realize that their government is NOT a god. And that it is a government of men who do not wish to recognize the Almighty Who gives us life. When leaders repeatedly turn away from babies in the womb, I do not believe that God will bless a country. We elect our leaders. Our leaders turn their back on God. We reap what we sow.

Such a silly case this monument case has been.
390 posted on 08/22/2003 5:10:20 PM PDT by petitfour
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