FOX NEWS: ALABAMA TEN COMMANDMENTS JUDGE SUSPENDED...

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[WOSG]

It's never 'too late' and we do see at least politically Republicans much better off than, say, the 1970s.

And yet culturally, we are unravelling further and further, as a result of forces unleashed in the 1960s and 1970s that keep reverberating. This is happening because even though we've "won back" politics, legal institutions and other institutions (media, universities) have become totally "taken over" by leftism and PC, etc.

We will need to find a way to turn the corner. I beleive that the Democrats know that control of the 3rd branch is all-or-nothing for them and that is why they will stop at nothing to prevent conservative Judges from getting confirmed. Liberal Judges can do *huge* damage to our culture and actively undermine *many* conservative reforms (eg on affirmative action, prop 187, school vouchers, etc).

If this story tells you *one* thing, it tells you why we need to fight harder for Conservatives on Federal courts:
1. It is totally UNACCEPTABLE to have a Democrat in the WHite House, until that party fundamentally changes its philosophy. Even 1-termer Carter gave us the Judge that did this dirty deed. And the cabal of Liberals on the USSC would vote to upheld this dreck.
2. We MUST overcome the Democrats in the Senate and their filibuster on nominations to the Federal bench.
3. We MUST make sure we dont waste precious spots on the Federal bench with Judges like Souter - Liberal wolfs in sheep's clothing. Dont get fooled, support only real Conservatives for the bench.

[tpaine]

Wrong again curry. I've been a lifelong advocate of our constitutional republic.

You're the majority rule 'democracy' FReak around here. - Coupled with your religious zealotry, its a scary combo.

[concerned about politics]

You don't have a problem woith the Gospel being used to further the agenda of politicians?

Well, we could have killers, rapists, theives, and other Democrats as representitives, or we could have honest, moral, upright men. Choose thou, whom would you vote?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Then again, you equate the ability to quote the Gospel with honesty, and moral uprighteness.

Remember Bill Clinton walking out of Church carrying a huge Bible?

Remember Jim Jones?

[Once-Ler]

The Founders, having the opportunity to declare the US a Christian nation by the simple mentioning of Jesus Christ ANYWHERE in the Founding Documents, chose not to do so.

I did not notice any glee, but then again I can't read minds like some Freepers. I did notice that this was succinct and irrefutable.

[WOSG]

Why dont you help your butt-buddies at the ACLU - they are looking high and low for Ten Commandment monuments in Utah, so they can squash 'em like bugs. Kind of funny though, if these things are so oppressive, why do they have to search to even find them: http://www.foe.com/neweagletalk/_disc3/000001bf.htm

From: Jason
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Date: 04 Aug 2003
Time: 05:25 PM

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This is posted on the acluutah.org home page... Eagles and the ten commandments under attack...

Action Alert: Help the ACLU of Utah find the last Ten Commandments monument on government property in Utah. During the 1950’s and 1960’s the Fraternal Order of Eagles donated 9 Ten Commandments monuments to cities and towns in Utah. As of today, all but one of the monuments has been located.

In recent months local civil rights attorney Brian Barnard and the ACLU of Utah have negotiated with the cities of Roy, Tooele and Ogden to get these monuments moved from government to private property in Utah. Mr. Barnard is currently working on getting the recently discovered monument in Pleasant Grove removed from public property. Other cities including Provo decided to move their monuments to private property before we got involved. Monuments have also been located and removed from public property in Salt Lake City and Murray. West Valley also has a monument located on private property in front of their Aerie Lodge. Every city where a monument has been found also has an Eagles Aeries Lodge within the city.

Recently a member of the Fraternal Order of the Eagles stated that there is one monument left in Utah on government property. We need your help to find the last monument.

Please go visit your local public parks and city buildings to see if the monument is there. We are particularly interested in looking for the monument in Logan, Brigham City, Hurricane, Midvale, Midway and Tremonton.

The monuments are made of a reddish gray marble, are rounded on the top and are in the form of two tablets side by side.

If you find it, contact our office at 521-9862 x 103 or Brian Barnard at 328-9531.

[First Amendment]

Jeez, the idiocy of the anti-Moore comments just *compels* me to think these are DU disruptors, not real freepers. Are real freepers this nasty and evil against honest God-fearing folks? Why??!? Tell me real Freepers arent this *dumb* and *evil*, someone! Tell me it's a bad dream!

This is a very sharp dividing line. You have made many insightful comments here; to tell you the truth, I am a little surprised there has been so much animus against Moore and the 10 Commandments. I see the same Freepers against him who are pro-sodomy. Some people who accept there are moral absolutes and some do not; those who accept that God is their guiding light and those who are secular humanists, or, if they accept God, they do so in a subjective way. Although some sectarian Christians here think this is only against Christianity, they are wrong. The ACLU and their ilk are against all moral absolutes, God Himself, and anyone who lives for Him. If there were more Orthodox Jews, they'd be in the same boat as Moore. If there were any number of outspoken Hindus, they'd be on the receiving end as well.

Someone up the thread a bit spoke wisely, when they said that different sects of Christianity or different religions are not the problem. The "enemy" is atheism - rampant aggressive atheism. All theists should forgive our differences and previous history, and fight as one for our rights of religious freedom and expression or we will all be in the closet - or jail.

[concerned about politics]

Remember Bill Clinton walking out of Church carrying a huge Bible?

Remember Jim Jones?

Hey, would Clinton ....lie? He was a man of deciet, and used his Bible as a false shield. There are no athiests in fox holes. By his fruits we knew him. I don't think anyone in their right mind thought he'd ever read the Bible he carried.

Jim Jones had his followers burn Bibles. Again, by his fruits we knew him.

People who follow Clintons and Jones's are the Biblically ignorant, which is why Christians try to teach the truth. The anti-Christ facist want to stop us from doing it. To them, ignorance is bliss, and anti-Christ power.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Why dont you help your butt-buddies at the ACLU"

Another Christian no doubt.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Now convince me that Moore is not lying.

[gsrinok]

All theists should forgive our differences and previous history, and fight as one for our rights of religious freedom and expression or we will all be in the closet - or jail.

Or being publically executed. Prophecy tells us that things are going to get really bad for Christians. We're closer than most think.

[concerned about politics]

Recently a member of the Fraternal Order of the Eagles stated that there is one monument left in Utah on government property. We need your help to find the last monument (post #666 - sincronicity?).

How can they be "offended" if they don't even know where the darn thing is?

[Luis Gonzalez]

In colonial times, the Christian religion was an integral part of the culture of the people who settled in America. Christian principles were voluntarily accepted by the dictates of individual consciences. It was in this cultural context that the people saw the danger of establishing any particular denomination as a state religion. But increasingly today, the culture is voluntarily rejecting the principles of Christianity because of the inconsistencies, confusion, division and hypocrisy in the church.

To quell this avalanche of moral breakdown, the "Reclaim America" element of the Christian right is subtly advocating establishing, not a particular denomination, but the Christian religion. This, in effect would be a return to the same type of establishment initially enacted by Constantine, which Williams, Jefferson and Madison agreed was the beginning of the fall of the Christian church from its purity.[13] How this movement to re-establish a Constantinian Christianity fits into the prophesy of the end times is a primary subject of this paper. It makes the understanding of government proposed by Williams, Jefferson and Madison even more profound and even more urgent as we have entered the new millennium.

http://www.twelvetribes.com/publications/roger_williams_intro.htm

[concerned about politics]

Now convince me that Moore is not lying.

"Thou shall not give false witness." It's right there on the monument he so cherishes and is willing to go to jail for, isn't it?

Now you prove to me he is.

[First Amendment]

They avoided placing a sectarian connotation on "God" in the Declaration of Independence "the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God", "that they are endowed by their Creator".

...Is the name "Jesus Christ" in the 10 Commandments?? What's the problem?

[Once-Ler]

Why dont you help your butt-buddies at the ACLU

How very Christian of you to call another FReeper a fag. The post number of your comments has not gone unnoticed by me.

Beware of false teachers who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are wolves and will tear you apart. You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit. You need never confuse grapevines with thorn bushes or figs with thistles. Different kinds of fruit trees can quickly be identified by examining their fruit. A variety that produces delicious fruit never produces an inedible kind. And a tree producing an inedible kind can’t produce what is good. So the trees having the inedible fruit are chopped down and thrown on the fire. Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit produced. Not all who sound religious are really godly people. They may refer to me as ‘Lord’, but still won’t get to heaven. For the decisive question is whether they obey my Father in heaven.” Matthew 7:15-22

[WOSG]

BS ignorance from you. The ten commandemnts monument has these same
quotes! "he dollar bill, in the SCOTUS building, in the swearing in ceremonies of nearly every politician, in our Pledge of Allegiance, in the fact that Presidents close speeches with "May God Bless America"..

What sect is being advanced by this display of Judge Moore? None.

And these monuments are all over, from the US Supreme Court on down .....

http://www.foe.com/neweagletalk/_disc3/000001c8.htm

Napolitano won't recommend monument's removal Associated Press Aug. 7, 2003 04:31 PM Gov. Napolitano won't ask for the removal of a Ten Commandments monument from the state capitol complex.

The governor's spokeswoman says the governor doesn't think the monument is a joining of church and state.

Last month, the Arizona Civil Liberties Union gave the state an Aug. 8 deadline to come up with a plan to get rid of the monument or face a lawsuit in federal court. The group contends the monument violates the First Amendment of the Constitution and that it will go ahead with the lawsuit.

The stone monument was donated to the state by the Fraternal Order of Eagles and erected in 1964 in Wesley Bolin Plaza.

The governor's spokeswoman says Napolitano thinks there are more pressing issues facing the state than its removal.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Now you prove to me he is."

So your argument is that people who have already revealed themselves as liars and users of the Gospel to gain wordly goods are known to be bad, but those apparently using it now, because they have yet to be exposed, can't possibly be doing the very same thing?

How about if we take Thmas Jefferson's advice, and not elect people based on theor mouthing of Biblical concepts and eliminate the possibility of elevating a false Christian to power?

[WOSG]

Another opinion on how the ACLU is damaging our country ...


http://www.foe.com/neweagletalk/_disc3/000001d7.htm


It seems to me that the ACLU once again mistakes "liberty" for License. And though I respect the minority and their "natural right" to speak I can choose not to listen. When I go to a government building and I see the ten commandments I might ask myself - is the person (s) who put this here a Catholic, a Greek Orthodox, a Jew, a Lutheran, an Episcopalian, a Methodist, a Mormon (etc...)but I do not. Instead I think about what the ten commandments stand for... the underlying principle for social well being and Law.

Thomas Hobbes might say that we should have a guillotine on every corner because only fear can rule us... This leaves to a very unproductive people as can be noted by the consequences experienced in Eastern Europe during the cold war and more recently in countries like Iraq.

Sadly, we may someday be ruled by fear as people trying so hard to render in two the primary social fabric that allows us to live as good neighbors accomplish their agenda. But with hope out of Pandora's box we can work toward thwarting such a terrible fiat.

Locke may say that a group will join together to protect their economic interests in a state of nature... wouldn't it be terrible if we had to do this to protect ourselves from a selfish minority?

Perhaps we should re-read Tocquvilles "Democracy in America" and determine if our representative Democracy/Republic is best served by those who wish to take away the opportunity to view a representation of a document many would say is one of the earliest documents providing a foundation of Law for a broad base of cultures that has essentially lasted for centuries. Would his basic premise that the many self-interests that each of us possess and come together to share and to debate be served by the removal of such an object. I say NO!

Perhaps the next thing the ACLU will ask is that we live as a homogenized society that has its freedom from such things as Justice, Truth, Liberty and Equality and instead must abide by the whims of the minority. Instead of fearing the "Tyranny of the Majority" we can begin to fear the "Tyranny of the Minority" by the simple process of precedence established by a judge. The balances and counter-balances being determined not by our working together as self-interested people with our differences and our like interests but by an agenda of a few.

What a pity it would be if we did not have St. Patricks day, Cinco de Mayo, Kwanzza, Orthodox Easter, Bar Mitzva's, Martin Luther King Day, Flag Day, Memorial Day, Labor day, Rosh Hashana, New Years Day simply because these days offended a few people for one reason or another or because someones agenda does not allow for such diversity. Perhaps we should ask the ACLU to pursue a policy of absolutely no Holiday's or Holiday pay for anyone who works for the government. Only x number of days off.

I believe that removing the ten commandments is foolish.

As Abe Lincoln once said" Let us have Faith that Right makes Might and in that Faith let us Dare to do our Duty as we Understand it." But without Faith what is your Duty. Does it become a selfish pursuit of something that is not yours to have?

Perhaps it is time that we celebrate our differences in opinions, (as Tocqueville so eloquently wrote of his observations in the United States) and allow for history to show itself at our government buildings. To paraphrase John Stuart Mills in a positive approach to freedom of speech... when you begin to regulate it, it becomes a slippery slope to denying people their liberties. Could not the same thing be said of religion? The ten commandments sitting on public property is not like yelling "Fire" in a movie theater.

The ACLU does some good things but they should be more careful that in their pursuit of one man's liberty they do not enslave an entire society.

[tpaine]

" -- different sects of Christianity or different religions are not the problem. The "enemy" is atheism -- "



Read this and see part of the 'problem':


The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution
Address:http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/constitution.html

Small sample:

"The Constitution was a rebellion against Christ and His authority over the nation, replacing it with the rule of man. The Bible warns us, "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22)"