To: beachn4fun
Lovell v. Griffin set a precedent which protects the rights of conservative Christians, along with members of any other religious group.
But note that, interestingly enough, in that case an ordinance passed in Georgia (a bastion of conservative Christians) was denying the rights of people from other faiths. That tends to be how it goes. Majority groups tend not to pass laws oppressing themselves. It's the minorities who are most vulnerable in a democracy and the Constitution is what protects them from the tyranny of the majority.
Here's an interesting experiment you can try: wear a T-shirt with the 10 commandments in the courtroom and wait to see if anyone stops you. If they do, the ACLU will be all over it, fighting tooth and nail on your side and they'll win because they set the precedence in Cohen v. California.
And note: many conservatives hated the ACLUS for Cohen v. California ;-)
To: ConsistentLibertarian
Majority groups tend not to pass laws oppressing themselves. It's the minorities who are most vulnerable in a democracy and the Constitution is what protects them from the tyranny of the majority. I understand your points. But I believe that this applies more to the ACLU of old. More and more they have taken and are taking a hard-left bias towards most cases they undertake. And the ones that never even make it to court are often the most damaging to the moral fabric of our nation. Like the case in which they forced a school which barred H.S. girls who got pregnant from being in the cheerleaders, to back down. You may think this is dandy. Think of the damage that these repudiations of basic morality do when multiplied hundreds of thousands of times throughout America. That there is NO moral code. That anything goes. That irresponsibility is rewarded. This seems to constitute the majority of what the ACLU does these days, not to mention their blantant partisan political efforts, such as in California.
To: ConsistentLibertarian
Here's an interesting experiment you can try: wear a T-shirt with the 10 commandments in the courtroom and wait to see if anyone stops you. If they do, the ACLU will be all over it, fighting tooth and nail on your side and they'll win because they set the precedence in Cohen v. California. I won't be holding my breath for the ACLU to run to my rescue and protect my rights
There may have been a day with the ACLU actually stood up for civil rights .. but those days are long gone IMO
174 posted on
08/21/2003 9:50:51 AM PDT by
Mo1
(I still hate Liberal Democrats)
To: ConsistentLibertarian
I don't want "maybes" or "will bes" about the ACLU. I want to see more than one case where the ACLU actually defended the rights of the conservative Christian. Most of the cases I saw listed defended everything BUT! And, Lovell v. Griffin sure did not since many Christians do not believe in the Witness doctrine. It is viewed by some to be on the level of Buddism.
180 posted on
08/21/2003 9:53:24 AM PDT by
beachn4fun
(The media and liberals are destroying the American way of life.)
To: ConsistentLibertarian
"Here's an interesting experiment you can try: wear a T-shirt with the 10 commandments in the courtroom and wait to see if anyone stops you. If they do, the ACLU will be all over it, fighting tooth and nail on your side and they'll win because they set the precedence in Cohen v. California.
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Why would they stop you? That is a personal expression of belief, worn on your body. There's no way to mistake that for anything else. A monument in the foyer of the courthouse is something quite different, it seems to me. Moore should put it on his front lawn.
278 posted on
08/21/2003 10:43:02 AM PDT by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
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