Busload Arrested and Led Away from Ten Commandments

WTVM ^ | 08-20-03

[Selmo]

Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon. The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.

Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20 inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would be charged by Montgomery police.

Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred, and his proposal was not approved.

The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.

Stay tuned to News Leader 9 for complete Skyteam 9 live coverage.

[BSunday]

In God We Trust was not put on our money until the 1950's. It was designed to get people to spend more.

[BSunday]

Point for you: the Ten Commandments are not the "tenets of Christianity"

Good point. I was just thinking, how ironic it is for a group of Christians to get arrested over the Laws of Moses, which are no longer in effect today for Christians.

[Chummy]

"...In your world, the Founders granted 'rights'...they did not, they recognized people's rights, and granted powers to government...."

Here you go again.

No, in the world, the Founders enumerated after much debate the first ten amendments to the US Constitution, and these are known popularly as the "Bill of Rights."

You've almost got it, Luis, that's good: the Founders acknowledged the rights of citizens, and granted powers to government. Now, look again at the Tenth Amendment, the last of the "Bill of Rights": those powers not delegated to the federal government by the US Constitution, and not prohibited, are "...reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

The Tenth does not include the word "right", yes, you are correct; using your statements, your words, not mine, have you a right to freedom of speech? A right to petition the government? A right to refuse quartering to a soldier? A right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment? I'll wait while you go look it up.

[Chummy]

"...I was just thinking, how ironic it is for a group of Christians to get arrested over the Laws of Moses, which are no longer in effect today for Christians...."

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: the Ten Commandments are not limited as "tenets of Christianity", but rather were given by God to Moses for all.

[BSunday]

You should perhaps read the New Testament a little closer. The Ten Commandments are no longer in effect today.

[Chummy]

Okay, I'll bite. Why, BSunday? Why are the Ten Commandments "no longer in effect today" and, please give me a hand and offer your reference within the New Testament to help you arrive at this.

[exodus]

exodus - Government has no authority to tell me who I can or cannot marry. True, they can shoot me if I defy their abuse of power, but I associate with who I want to associate with. If that's true in my political life and in my religious life, it's even more true in my personal life. That ... is a Right. Any violation of that Right is tyranny.
Chummy - Wow. That's all I have to say at this extreme depth of ignorance of the law.
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You've already shown that you don't know the difference between a God-given Right and a man-delegated Power, Chummy. Our law is based upon the Rights of Man.

Try telling me how it's illegal for the government to tell me who I can associate with while discussing and acting upon political ideas, and it's illegal for the government to tell me who I can associate with while discussing and acting upon religious ideas, yet it's legal for the government to tell me how to conduct my personal life.

Freedom isn't measured collectively, Chummy. Freedom is an individual thing. If individuals aren't free, the society isn't free.

[Robert_Paulson2]

the problem E... is his use of the word "MUST". repeatedly. MUST is not voluntary. It has always been a no no in governmental issues that touch in any way on religion.

and it is moore's arrogance and stupidity that led to his downfall.. he's now known by most of america to be a nut. and like a nut, he got crunched. it's done. If he escapes prison, he will be repudiated by the state of alabama in his run for governor.

His grandstanding for glory play... has failed.
only 3000 folks showed up for the big "prayer vigil" even with heavy hitters like keyes and falwell.
HARDLY the 10's of thousands they were expecting.

He won't be governor.
good.

[BSunday]

Just to name a few:

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Hebrews 7
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

[Robert_Paulson2]

You've already shown that you don't know the difference between a God-given Right and a man-delegated Power, Chummy. Our law is based upon the Rights of Man.

exactly right...

[exodus]

Read the writings of the Founders, then come back and, like Luis so ably pointed out for me that I proved for him, find some other supporting evidence they were anything but men of faith, solid in their religious convictions.
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The Founders were men of strong religious convictions, Chummy .

I never said they weren't. Neither did Luis.

The founders were suspicious of organized religion, non-the-less. They regarded organized religion not as something created by God, but as something designed by man. Organized religions are nothing more than small governments.

"Organized" requires politicians, and our Founders didn't trust politicians.

[singsong]

I didn't need help... I got the point... it was an implied threat... "God is gonna get em" heard it all before...every time I see osami shoot his mouth off on his stupid video tape... "God will teach the infidels" sell it to someone else SS... we are all stocked up on religions who want God to kill their poltical and moral enemies around here.

I had to think hard on this... No, there was no implied threat at all. You did not say anything discomforting, much less offensive, to me. May be there was something like "see, it's not that simple" but that was all.

[F16Fighter]

Heh...

Can anyone identify the individual wearing a Greyhound bus cap, FReeper T-shirt, clasping a laptop, and wearing a cheshire-cat grin standing behind the rear wheel?

Hmmm...maybe it's an optical illusion, Aus...

[exodus]

Okay, I'll bite. Why, BSunday? Why are the Ten Commandments "no longer in effect today" and, please give me a hand and offer your reference within the New Testament to help you arrive at this.
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You're right, Chummy.

Jesus said, " I come not to change the Law, but to fulfill it."

The Ten Commandments are binding upon Christians as well as Jews.

[zip]

While you were sleeping, the Taliban came to power in this countryMP>That must be what happened. The apathy of the American public scares me. A courageous few stand up to be counted and face the wrath of the leftists.

I don't know if I will stick my head in the sand or just go back to sleep.

[zip]

Who says people do not believe in God?

Maybe I should have specified SCOTUS???If you are not aware, there is a major movement afoot in the US to throw God in the trash where they think he belongs. NEA, dims, unions and on and on.

[exodus]

exodus - Judge Moore is following the lead of his State Constitution as he understands it. I see nothing illegal in his actions. Ignoring God after asking for the guidance of God in forming your government would seem foolhardy to some.
Robert_Paulson2 - the problem E... is his use of the word "MUST". repeatedly. MUST is not voluntary. It has always been a no no in governmental issues that touch in any way on religion.
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Judge Moore is not making law when he uses the word "must." He's stating a personal opinion outside of a court of law.

Moore is speeking as to why he personally believes that his stand is correct. He could say instead "it would seem to me," and "wouldn't you agree," but he'd sound weak and accomplish nothing.

He's telling the world in strong language why he has strong beliefs about this situation. I like what he's said, and I like how he's said it.

[YoungKentuckyConservative]

I always applaud upholding the rule of law.

The law of "man" is not the law I follow. I'm free, whether you are or not. You simple, simple tool.

[YoungKentuckyConservative]

Question -- By what authority does the federal judge derive his power to order the removal of a display of the Ten Commandments?

By being a member of the New World Order. If the people won't stand up and fight, there will be more coming, and the consequences will grow.

[F16Fighter]

"Of course, you couldn't expect any form of tactical timing of arrests in civil disobedience by a bunch of ."

King George must be your hero, and Paul Revere regarded as a descendant of those same ilk of...ahem...contemptable "slackjawed mouth breathers."

Do yourself a favor -- DON'T head up toward Bunker Hill way. You'd be quite annoyed to discover quite a few of these pesky "stone idols," statues, and plaques honoring the heritage and inspiration of American freedom. One or two may even evoke the name of...(gulp)..."GOD."

Get on the next bus, man -- You've got plenty of work to do! I'm sure the ACLU won't mind covering your expenses.