Busload Arrested and Led Away from Ten Commandments

WTVM ^ | 08-20-03

[Selmo]

Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon. The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.

Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20 inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would be charged by Montgomery police.

Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred, and his proposal was not approved.

The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.

Stay tuned to News Leader 9 for complete Skyteam 9 live coverage.

[petitfour]

Change that to "sister."

[As you well know...]

So then, this graven image of the Ten Commandments is esential to your ability to worship freely?

It is not a graven image. You misunderstand that, for starters.

Is my Freedom of Worship to be circumscribed but what others (you, the oracles in black robes) tell me is or isn't esential?

I don't see that enumerated in the Constitution. In fact, what States and individuals can do is left up for them to decide - see 9th and 10th Ammendments.

I give you credit for sucking me back in to an exchange one more time. But, I did it for the benefit of others so they can see how this sophistry you have chosen to engage in is so easily refuted by the very Constitution you undertake to misrepresent.

Good Luck. Peace.

[As you well know...]

happily. Sorry, sister. Amen, sister.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

Neither of which mentions "State's Rights".

You really just can't argue with these people who think States have rights. It's futile. I've tried too many times myself. I was even called an "idiot" for posting the X Amendment to show that it (obviously)says powers.

[RaginCajunTrad]

The federal govt may not establish nor it prevent in accordance with the first amendment.

This is an issue for the people of Alabama to decide. The 10th Amendment trumps in this case although the leftist, statist federal govt will probably rule otherwise.

"Law" is not necessarily equal to "right".

[PISANO]

"The propriety of a law, in a constitutional light, must always be determined by the nature of the powers upon which it is founded." Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 33

[Luis Gonzalez]

Show me the words "States Rights" anywhere in the Founding Documents, and then you will convince me that you're not talking out of both sides of your mouth.

The premise being debated here is that there is no such thing as "separation of Church and State" because the Constitution says nothing of the sort, but in spite of the fact that the very same Constitution makes no mention of State's Rights has no bearing on the fact that they exist.

Spin worthy of James Carville.

[petitfour]

While you were sleeping, the Taliban came to power in this country. They decided to remove artifacts that contradicted their religion (the US Constitution/federal government) as supreme over all.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Are you saying that Roy Moore IS the State of Alabama?

When was he crowned?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Who says people do not believe in God?

[RaginCajunTrad]

Thanks for the tip on the McDonald book. It appears to be well worth reading.

[TradicalRC]

You have set the Law of Man against the Law of God, deacon, and have chosen the wrong side. Render unto God. May He have mercy on your soul, I ask this through His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

There used to be a Country named United States of America that was founded by people who believed in God. When did it disappear? I must have been sleeping.

You can't be that old, now.

See over the past 225+ years, many people from many countries have come here. Many brought there own religion. Many who are descendants of Europeans who founded the country no longer subscribe to a particular brand of "Christianity". In fact, I'd doubt that even 50% of the population really practice any religion.

I'm sorry that your dream of a theocracy seems to have been destroyed. This country hasn't been what you envision it as for probably 200 years. It has nothing to do with Judge Roy Moore. It has nothing to do with Roe v. Wade. It has nothing to do with Lawrence v. Texas. This isn't a Christian Theocracy, and really never was. This country is populated with several hundreed million people who share a very wide, diverse range of religious beliefs. To pretend that there is some small minority trying to "destroy" your "Christian" country is absurd.

[RISU]

What you have said here, though some would call it extreme, is essentially correct. What is not realized is that the battle was lost when we became a nation without "money". All we have now is"promise to pay" and the entire of our economy is based not upon individual decisions, conscious based or not, but rather on the administration of a civil "code". The powers that be can decide who will win, who will lose, and who will go to jail.

America has been "lost" since December 23rd, 1913 the date that the Federal Reserve act was passed, and 1918 when the British Lawyers Guild successfully inserted its creature "The American Bar Association" in Chicago. By 1918 the country fate was sealed.

We have been the victims of a "counter revolution" that negated our declaration of independence and the Constitution. The rest, as they say, has been "history".

[sinkspur]

You have set the Law of Man against the Law of God, deacon, and have chosen the wrong side. Render unto God. May He have mercy on your soul, I ask this through His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Thanks for the prayers. You can save the sanctimony.

Show me where God demanded that the 10 Commandments be displayed in public buildings.

In fact, Jesus told His disciples to pray in private, and not to make a show of it, as the Pharisees did.

Are you sure this is about God, or is it about a man who thinks he's God?

[As you well know...]

Sinkspur, I don't think youunderstand the 1st Ammendment applies only to the Feds, not to the States. I am assuming you do know that at the time the First Ammendment was approved, there were States with official State religions. Explain that away if your prsonal opinion of the 1st Ammendment is to be accepted.

The Feds have zero authority in this area. it is a matter for the States.

As to your personal opinion the POTUS does not have equal authority to interpret the Constitution, as does the Congress, as does the SCOTUS, I can only say you are an example of why we have become what we have become.

We have let ourselves be lied to and we have chosen to believe it is Constiitutional to destroy the balance of power.

Think about it, Sinkspur. You think it Constitutional the Judicial Branch can tell the Executive Branch or the Legislative Branch what The Constitution means. You think it Constitutional the Judicial Branch can tell the Executive Branch what it may or may not do Constitutionally. you think the Judicial Branch can tell the Legislative Branch what it may or may not do.

However, you would think it anarchy for the Executive Branch to tell the Judicial Branch what it may or may not do Constitutionally.That means you have agreed to destroy the balance of power and you have elevated unelected men, serving for life,(why hasn't one of these SOB's been impeached?) to a level of power infinitely superior to the other two branches of Government.

That is an idea that violates both The Constitution and Common Sense.

Why not make life simpler for yourself and advocate the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch simply disband and we can let ourslves be ruled by the black-robed oracles?

Intellectual honesty would seem to require it as that is, functionally, your position.

[RaginCajunTrad]

"Yours is an invitation to anarchy."

Anarchy, no.

Liberty, yes. Freedom from the shackles of the God-less federal judiciary and bureaucracy. The colonists had more liberty in most matters under King Geoge III than we do today.

[Orlando]

It's over ! Hello Yellowstone !

[RaginCajunTrad]

James Carville is a leftist/socialist and would be on your side. I am not proud of his ties to Lousisiana.

[RaginCajunTrad]

"Are you saying Roy Moore IS the State of Alabama?"

Get your reading glasses checked. I said this is an issue for the people of Alabama to decide. They have their own constitutional and statutory remedies for this. It is not the place of the feds.