Busload Arrested and Led Away from Ten Commandments

WTVM ^ | 08-20-03

[Selmo]

Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon. The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.

Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20 inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would be charged by Montgomery police.

Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred, and his proposal was not approved.

The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.

Stay tuned to News Leader 9 for complete Skyteam 9 live coverage.

[RaginCajunTrad]

Imperialists are impossible to convince. Yo, Buchanan, where are you?

BTW, I really would not want the prez to send the natl guard to shut down the abortion clinics. Although I do think that the abortion clinics s/b shut down, that is for each state to decide on its own and the feds shutting them down would be a violation of the 10th Amendment every bit as much as the feds prohibiting our states from prohibiting abortion.

However, I do believe that we could have saved more American lives by shutting down the abortion clinics than by invading Iraq.

[As you well know...]

Yes. And Jesus told His disciples to render to Him.

And he said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things, that are Caesar's: and to God the things that are God's.

Your burden is to convince those of us who, rightly, believe the First Ammendment applies to the Feds, not States, are commanded to render unto Caesar things unjustly usurped.

[As you well know...]

States have no rights. Only people have rights

My Constitution still includes the 9th and 10th Ammendment.

[Luis Gonzalez]

But He said it, didn't He?

You just spun it differently.

[Aquinasfan]

Render to Caesar.

The Decalogue doesn't belong to Caesar.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"This is an issue for the people of Alabama."

And Judge Moore is not "the people of Alabama", but he took it upon himself to take action without the people of Alabama being heard.

Now he's going to cost the people of Alabama millions of dollars to fight what could have easily been accomplished via a proclamation from the Alabama State legislature (read: the people of Alabama), dedicating this monument to the principles of law and Justice in Alabama judiciary.

But of course, that way would have not promoted Moore's political career.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

What part of this gift from the Founders is not understood?

"...Congress shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise..." of religion....

How bout the Congress part, then there is the writing law part. So this isn't Congress and no laws were written. Though I guess it's OK if the courts write laws impending free exercise of anything.

[an amused spectator]

However, my position remains the same. Some laws are immoral and shouldn't be upheld, whether laws about horseshoes or religion.

There are what I call "lawnuts" (similar to the disparaging liberal term "gunnuts") on this forum, and it's pretty much a waste of breath to argue with them. But it's fun to try, sometimes. ;-)

[As you well know...]

Only people have rights.

You keep repeating this as though it were Divine Revelation. I don't know who it is that is teaching you these things,but, I would suggest you have abandoned your civic duty.

"We the people" are the authors of the Constitution and it is we who have the duty to be its ultimate interpretors or we shall cease to be free.

The 10thh Ammendment has always been understood by we the people to refer to states rights.

Now, if you decide to imbibe an arbitrary and pedantic apparoach to the common sense understanding once collectively held by we the people, nobody can deter you.

Enjoy your passion and I hope you enjoy your own company as there are few among we the people who will join you.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"The 10thh Ammendment has always been understood by we the people to refer to states rights."

No it hasn't, it was a fabrication of the Confederate States to justify their keeping slaves.

States have no rights, they only have Constitutionally granted powers.

[an amused spectator]

There is no more rule of law in America. The last nail went into the coffin in either Roe v Wade or when the lily-livered gutless wonders in the Senate let Clinochio stay as president.

In a capitalist society, you only need machine guns for those who can't be brought to heel with fines and/or homosexual gang rape. Our masters don't need a Tiananmen Square - they've got their phony "rule of law" - the 800 holy federal Druids. ;-)

[RaginCajunTrad]

You don't get it. It's still an issue for the people of Alabama. The other seven justices I understand can take admin action to remove the monument. The state legislature could impeach him. At the next election, the people could boot him. I don't know if Alabama has a recall provision. There are remedies for the people of Alabama without involving the feds.

There is no need for unconstitutional federal intervention.

[As you well know...]

Sorry, you're wrong. Check the history books to see in any of the States which ratified the First Ammendment had an official State Religion at the time they approved the first Ammendment.

[MissAmericanPie]

If you ever do find yourself before an American court whose laws are based in Christianity you should fall on your face and rejoice that you are not before the court of Islam, atheism, secularism, totalitarianism, or that of a dictator.

The place of Christianity in our justice system upholds the faith in the God given rights of the individual. The Ten Commandments uphold the God ordained rights of the individual not to be murdered, stolen from, lied to, or cheated, and calls us to a high standard regarding the care and honoring of our elderly.

When the Justice system begins to scorn and tear at the foundation that birthed them and gave them power, then scorning the rights of the individual is not far behind.
We live in a democracy, the majority rules, the majority of people in this nation call themselves Christian. Their ancestors birthed a Christian nation, built on Christian principles of the importance of the individual's freedom to God, the ultimate lawgiver.

Christianity is part and parcel of our history and culture, we have the right to expect this Christian heritage be honored in our communities and government buildings. All of us should want those retraining principles constantly in the face of those with power over the individual as a reminder to them of the restraints upon them, and the expectations of them, Christian or atheist, as a matter of self preservation if nothing else.

While the Christian ideals framed in the Constitution insures all men the right to worship God in their own way, it does not insure their right to destroy the Christian foundations that vouchsafes that principle.

You better think twice about the choice you are making or you eventually will find yourself under international law instead of the law with the restraining reins found in the Constitution. All branches of our government are chaffing under those restraints and wish to slip the bonds that controls their power. Believe me, you do not want to be under international law. Or don't believe me and study the issue and see what your rights are under international law.

Someday, if you or a loved one finds themselves at the mercy of a court based on international laws, you will howl for that foundation that you so glibbly disdain today and wish to God that you still held the reins of the justice and protections found in that christian Constitution. You have until about 2005 to get your head on straight as the FTAA treaty, placing all participating nations in the western hemisphere under international laws is due to be signed onto and enacted.

Already our Supreme Court is studying these laws in order to rule properly on them. Do you think the Supreme Court will concern itself if one or all of these laws negate the Constitution of the United States? Not a chance.

[jimt]

Your burden is to convince those of us who, rightly, believe the First Ammendment applies to the Feds, not States...

Well then of course you rightly believe that the States have the ability to restrict your freedom of speech, or your freedom of religion, don't you?

Judge Moore lost because he's wrong, plain and simple. Turning the courthouse into a religious shrine is not within his power.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Those constitutionaly granted powers also gave the States to right to rule in any matter not granted to the Federal government. However I do think that this issue is not a matter of States rights.

[As you well know...]

Nope. It long preceeded that. in fact, Lincoln himself held States had a right to seceed. A political Union is not equivalent to a Sacramental Union of marriage.

[an amused spectator]

The irony of so many the responses on this article is that these arrests were in no way related to actual acts of protection of the stone idol.

I've been meaning to ask you why Carter's holy druid Myron Thompson worships stone idols. A living breathing animist on the federal bench - whotta country. ;-)