Posted on 08/20/2003 7:00:21 PM PDT by Selmo
Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon. The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.
Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20 inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would be charged by Montgomery police.
Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred, and his proposal was not approved.
The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.
Stay tuned to News Leader 9 for complete Skyteam 9 live coverage.
A constitutional crisis... as in, the federal government stepping in because a state is acting in violation of the federal constitution. See also Little Rock, 1957.
Could be anything vile. We've gone to dismembering the innocent pre-born while still alive, men having sex with men and spreading a deadly disease is "normal", earth worshipers scarfing up private lands and watching our forests burn to the ground, a NOW hag matriarchy, and any kind of deadly "correctness" could be next. My guess is killing the old people for being useless eaters. They'll soon be considered a burden to their liberal children who "choose" not to keep them around any longer. The money spent on their care could fund another liberal social program, like fisting classes for the childrens sake.
Never bother ideologues with facts.
First, they've no interest in them. Second, by definition, they believe that their view of the world is accurate, no matter how inaccurate such view may be in fact, and their views are not subject to change. Third, neither correct denotation of words and terms nor any attempt at persuasion generated by millenia of logical process (start w/Socrates, take it right up through Riemann, Russell, Whitehead, Fitch, and Thomason) will have the slightest effect.
As Rob't Heinlein once described one of these cretins (and I quote):
''He wants what he wants when he wants it, and thinks that that constitutes a natural law.''
Best to you, and Freegards!
No. They're....ack.....Christians. Get real, dude! Government is the only God. It feeds us freebie manna when we praise it.
Thomas Jefferson:
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
Jefferson again:
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus." More Jefferson:
"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."
John Adams:
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
Also Adams:
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. (our victory against the Muslim Turks) Article 11 states (It made it easier for the Turks to sign with this provision):
"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
Here's Thomas Paine:
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)." "Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."
"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."
And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."
Finally let's hear from James Madison:
"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.
Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God's authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was they - the Baptists - who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a "one-way wall" that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's."
Can you imagine that? 3,000 Americans dead, and the ACLU was suing over one word.
Now, what I'm going to say is going to make some of you angry. But I feel that when well-intentioned American men fight in the Middle East, they end up supporting THIS. They end up supporting a crew of people who yearn to carve the heart out of our country. It has gone on for a long time, now, but I just can't see any end to this...
Don't send your sons to fight in the Middle East, folks. And if you can, politely discourage others from doing so, too.
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