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Divers Find Piece Of Henry VIII's Warship
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| 8-19-2003
Posted on 08/19/2003 3:18:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: ellery
"Trivia: it was named after Anne Boleyn's sister Mary, whom Henry was stupping before he married Anne..." Something doesn't jive.
"The Mary Rose was built at Portsmouth between 1509 and 1511. Named for Henry VIII's favourite sister, Mary Tudor, later queen of France, the ship was part of a large build-up of naval force by the new king in the years between 1510 and 1515. Warships, and the cannon they carried, were the ultimate status symbol of the 16th century, and an opportunity to show off the wealth and power of the king abroad."
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08/19/2003 5:44:39 PM PDT
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blam
To: ellery
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08/19/2003 5:49:37 PM PDT
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blam
To: ellery
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08/19/2003 5:52:34 PM PDT
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blam
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posted on
08/19/2003 7:21:57 PM PDT
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farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: blam
D'oh! Looks like you're correct. I've read a lot of actual history about medieval England; I also recently read an historical fiction book called The Other Boleyn Girl. A lot of the facts in the book are correct...but apparently the Mary Rose being named for Mary Boleyn is fiction rather than history. The dates don't work -- the Mary Rose was built a decade before Mary Boleyn's affair with Henry in the 1520s.
Mary Boleyn
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posted on
08/19/2003 9:41:12 PM PDT
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ellery
To: blam
Didn't galleys have oars? I don't see any in that drawing.
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posted on
08/19/2003 10:09:59 PM PDT
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GATOR NAVY
(20 years in the Navy; never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
To: GATOR NAVY
Yes, of course galleys have oars. Of course, the portrait was painted minimum 2 years after HMS Mary Rose sank, and the painter was undoubtedly not a naval architect.
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08/20/2003 5:09:14 AM PDT
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CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
To: CatoRenasci; GATOR NAVY
True, but I have nowhere seen any reference to
Mary Rose being a galley.
The only galley recodred as constructed by Henry is The Great Galley
There is some confusion in that the English called "Galleys" what were technically "Galleasses": oared ships carrying heavy cannon.
And further confusion in that Mediterraean galleasses were heavy galleys with a gun deck above the main proplusion oar deck, while English galleasses were lightly built oared ships with a gun deck (with heavier guns) below the axuillary propulsion oar deck. Nost English "galleys" were eventually reconstructed to more successfull galleons.
Indeed there is an argument that the term "galleon" arose to describe a low-charged (ie without high fore and stern castles) ship similair to an Englsh galleasse, but without oars.
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posted on
08/20/2003 7:32:12 AM PDT
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Oztrich Boy
(It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire)
To: blam
sank inexplicably in 1545 during a skirmish with French ships Evidently, the notion that it was one of those mysterious space alien - Bermuda Triangle - Elvis sighting things is more credible than the notion that the French managed to actually sink an enemy warship.
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08/20/2003 8:14:26 AM PDT
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steve-b
To: Oztrich Boy
Well, this article referred to HMS Mary Rose as a galley, and did say they raised most of the ship some years ago. If you can find the information on what they actually found, you will know whether the ship was a galley or whatever.
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08/20/2003 9:11:02 AM PDT
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CatoRenasci
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To: steve-b
What was inexplicable must have been that the french surrender monkeys didn't surrender to the barnacles on the sides of the Brit ship..
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posted on
08/20/2003 9:22:11 AM PDT
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Havoc
(If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
To: Oztrich Boy
There is no indication at maryrose.org that the ship is a galley.
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posted on
08/20/2003 9:34:58 AM PDT
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CatoRenasci
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11/16/2008 10:19:20 PM PST
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SunkenCiv
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To: ellery
I also recently read an historical fiction book called The Other Boleyn Girl.They made a movie of it this year, starring Natalie Portman as Anne and Scarrlet Johansson as Mary, with Eric Bana as Henry. Did you see it?
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posted on
11/16/2008 10:51:17 PM PST
by
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
(So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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