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Hi Everyone!,

I haven't been hiding, - I've been working... I'm not a feminist, I'm a Libertarian. My husband has Parkinson's Disease so I know about having a sick spouse at home.

I suggest you all read a book: 'From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State: Fraternal Societies & Social Services, 1890-1967.' It describes a time PRIOR to New Deal dem. social services & no-fault divorce, when local, faith-based groups dealt privately and humanely with family problems - including unemployment, break-ups, illness, and orphaned/poor children. (Chapter 6, "The Child City" is the most interesting.) These societies were voluntarily formed and carefully run throughout the United States. Poor, middle class and upper-middle class folks formed and joined them. 95% of blacks vigorously joined them over the period, esp. in urban areas. Sometimes they were church-based, sometimes not. These organizations (e.g., Modern Woodman of America, the House of Ruth, The Odd Fellows, The Loyal Order of Moose etc.) became very popular and served as economic "insurance" and mutual assistance and were active at solving community problems. A lot of "moral suasion" was used (something Liberals today disparage as 'judgmental') to monitor members and keep people from cheating the organizations, gaming the system (malingering at work), drinking too much, etc.

Schools were set up, money was paid out to families in need, funds were moved from one fraternity to another where things were especially difficult around the country.

We need to return to that very efficient private sector 'support system.' Today we have a Welfare State - and liberal "values" which encourage sexual "freedom," divorce on Demand, out-of-wedlock births as a "life style choice," and single-parenthood "choice." This is wrong, and it's COSTING ME MONEY!!

I know I sounded harsh. But I am sick up to here hearing about the high divorce rates, birth rates at a young age (before you have human capital & edn.), etc. Sure, women should bear some of the cost -- but someone should STAY HOME and raise the Kids too! People want it all; they can't HAVE it all. I know things don't always go as planned. We need to speak up against the Dems blathering about 'non-judgmental life styles' - and speak loudly in favor of hard-core self-responsibility and values, and NEVER let up that pressure.

I live in California - we have a 38 billion deficit. Do you know how it became so big? We have to pay for K through 12 services. "K" standing for kindergarten. Honestly: why am I paying for someone's kids' kindergarten (babysitters). It's become a comfortable a hammock, not a 'safety net.' The Calif dems in the teacher's unions have been pushing public day-care programs, now. Is there any end, here?

Kids ARE expensive -- more and more expensive. I'm tired of paying. If people want em, they should pay for em. Take care, to "shop" wisely for a good loyal spouse, work hard TOGETHER, and pay for all the expenses we KNOW will happen.

I'm sorry you have to pay for your kids & wife -- but the REST of us are kicking in the K-12 Costs! Can WE whine too?!? I DON'T want to PAY! Many folks say public education services don't cost us money, -- they in fact benefit society. This is false. Each teacher needed in the classroom.... is one LESS chemist, technican, or medical scientist in a lab doing research to cure cancer or develop a vehicle that runs on solar cells. Kids are great; but they put a drag on technology, R&D and growth. We need to acknowledge this trade off, and choose wisely how many kids we are going to have. Kids take more years of training as well. It takes MORE years of training - at bio/genetic-engineering - nowadays ....to GET another bushel of corn off the land... & feed another person. It isn't enough just to 'rotate' your crops and flick the bugs off the plants... that was fine in the 1700s.

I think it's very irresponsible that some of you seem to be whining that 'we can't let third-worlders & immigrants' do all the breeding, and that society (others) should somehow be responsible for your various child-reproduction costs. That was a breathtaking - and immoral - statement. There should be a limit to charity -- and that goes for US citizens, and for immigrants (esp. illegal immigrants, who don't pay Income taxes). Everyone should pay for their own progeny, if they choose to have them. Have 7 or 8, if you'd like! Outstanding!! :)

Well, good luck in court. Thanks for a lively discussion.

"But I am sick up to here hearing about the high divorce rates, birth rates at a young age (before you have human capital & edn.), etc."

Good. Then with what you are learning, maybe you'll help
us toss all of the feminazi policy (which is all toward
socialism, including Susan B.'s policy) out of government
and business. And yes, more women should get back into
their homes to take care of their husbands and kids instead
of running around with other men at work and divorcing their
husbands.

Funny... A few years ago, my grandmother asked me if we're
going to take women back to the 1800s. I told her, "Yes."

One of the creepy, old, run-of-the-mill neigbor men who
lech on and give that Age of Romanticism false chivalry
to the usual pros on the block asked me, "Do you want all
the women barefoot and pregnant?" I answered, "Why, no.
I don't want to send them all to Arkansas. ...just want
'em to start being more responsible to their families
instead of spendinga all their time mingling with everyone
outside their families.