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To: centurion316
Another point: Anyone who would compare the M-1 Abrams with a Sturmgeschutz is declaring his ignorance for all of the world to see. The Sturmgeschutz were assault guns, not tanks (and if Lind is saying that the Abrams ain't a tank, then he deserves to be committed to a loony bin). They were used as mobile artillery (ever conscious of military history, German commanders were taught to use assault guns as horse artillery was used a century before), not in traditional tank roles (e.g. riding hell-for-leather behind enemy lines, seizing key junctures and destroying artillery, HQs, etc).
11 posted on 08/14/2003 1:05:35 PM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: Seydlitz
Another point: Anyone who would compare the M-1 Abrams with a Sturmgeschutz is declaring his ignorance for all of the world to see.

And another point: anyone who sprinkles his discussion of LAV's with German words like Sturmgeschutz and Urvater is too enamored of cuteness to be taken at his word.

He leaves something out, too: any explanation of why an LAV would be any more vulnerable than a HUMV (or a Chrysler LeBaron, for that matter).

His alternative seems to be to use "real" armor, which he has already dismissed as unworkable, or to restrict our guys to moving around on foot.

Such obvious oversights suggest to me that the guy's got an alternative agenda of some sort.

15 posted on 08/14/2003 1:22:01 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Seydlitz
Don't forget Sidecar Motorcycles,the R12, R71 and R75.

The Wehrmacht Motorcycle Rifle Regiments were known to be the fastest of all the German units.




24 posted on 08/14/2003 1:49:56 PM PDT by invenire
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To: Seydlitz
Of course Stug III and IV vehicles also fulfilled an anti-tank
role as time progressed, thanks in part to a low profile and lack
of anything else. Armament varied from the low speed 75mm StuK 37 L/24
to the 75mm StuK 40 L/48 antitank gun.

For those military nerds wanting more information,
visit http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzer.htm

For those military nerds wanting to COMMAND a Stug III,
try http://invasion1944.operation-flashpoint.de/index2.php (for first-person)
or http://www.battlefront.com/products/cmbb/cmbb.html for larger scale battles.
43 posted on 08/15/2003 4:40:35 PM PDT by Saturnalia (My name is Matt Foley and I live in a VAN down by the RIVER.)
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