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Jittery U.S. Soldiers Kill 6 Iraqis
Yahoo ^ | Aug 10th 2003 | SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI

Posted on 08/10/2003 8:37:25 PM PDT by CanadianFella

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The night air hung like a hot wet blanket over the north Baghdad suburb of Slaykh. At 9 p.m., an electrical transformer blew up, plunging the neighborhood into darkness.

American soldiers, apparently fearing a bomb attack, went on alert. Within 45 minutes, six Iraqis trying to get home before the 11 p.m. curfew were shot and killed by U.S. forces.

Anwaar Kawaz, 36, lost her husband and three of four children. "We kept shouting, 'We're a family! Don't shoot!' But no one listened. They kept shooting," she told The Associated Press. She's expecting another child this month.

When asked about Friday's shootings, Lt. Col. Guy Shields, coalition military spokesman, said, "Our checkpoints are usually marked and our soldiers are trained and disciplined. I will check on that. That is serious."

Confronted by daily guerrilla attacks that have claimed 56 American lives since May 1, U.S. troops are on edge. Iraqis complain that many innocent people have died at surprise U.S. checkpoints thrown up on dark streets shortly before the curfew. Drivers hurrying home say they don't see the soldiers or hear their orders to stop.

The Kawaz family left the home of Anwaar's parents on Bilal Habashi Street at 9:15 p.m. for the 10-minute drive home. They had traveled only a half-mile when they reached the intersection where they said the American bullets took their terrible toll.

A few yards in front of them, two soldiers standing near two Humvees were shooting at the family's white Volkswagen, she said. Two other soldiers near a Humvee to the right of the car also fired, she said.

Witnesses told the AP one of the soldiers fell to the ground screaming in pain, apparently a victim of friendly fire.

"They killed us. There was no signal. Nothing at all. We didn't see anything but armored cars," Anwaar said Sunday, two days after the confrontation.

"Our headlights were on. He (her husband) didn't have time to put his foot on the brake. They kept shooting. He was shot in the forehead. I was still sitting next to him. I got out of the car to get help. I was shouting, 'Help me! Help me!' No one came."

Witnesses said her husband, Adel Kawaz, survived for at least an hour, still sitting in the car after being hit in the head and back.

Ibrahim Arslan, whose house is on the corner where the Kawaz car came under fire, said Kawaz cried out for help.

Arslan said he and a neighbor tried to remove the wounded Kawaz from the car, but the door was jammed. Then they fled when automatic rifle fire again split the air.

"The next day we heard he had died," Arslan said.

Ali Taha, who lives across the street, said Haydar Kawaz, 18, was sitting up in the back of the car with a bullet wound in his head. His sister, 17-year-old Olaa, slumped dead into his arms.

When the shooting stopped and the American soldiers were gone, Taha said, he and other neighbors ventured out about 11 p.m. and took the bodies of the brother and sister from the car, placed them on the pavement and covered them with a sheet.

The Americans had taken the bodies of Adel, the husband, and another child, 8-year-old Mirvet. Two days later, the family still did not know where the bodies were taken.

A fourth child, a 13-year-old Hadeel, survived.

"I was sitting in the middle, between my brother Haydar and sister Olaa," Hadeel said, her head bandaged.

"I felt blood coming down my head. I tried to drag myself out of the car. An American pulled me out. I kept telling them that my father and my brother were in the car. There was a translator with them.

"My father was shouting, 'We are still alive!' but no went to help him.

"The Americans told me to go with them but I was afraid they would hurt me. I didn't trust them. So I ran to my grandparents' house," Hadeel said. She told the story sitting in her grandparents' home, crying quietly, surrounded by family.

Lt. Sean McLaughlin, stationed at a base near Slaykh, could only express sympathy, although he said his unit was not involved.

"No one feels worse than us. We want to build a safe Iraq (news - web sites) for the Iraqis. It's a difficult situation here," McLaughlin said.

A few blocks from where the car was shot up, 19-year-old Sayf Ali was shot and killed as he drove home with a cousin and a friend. He, too, didn't see the American checkpoint, survivors in the car said. Soldiers opened fire on the blue Opel station wagon, which kept moving after Ali was shot. The cousin and the friend jumped out. Soldiers kept firing until the car caught fire incinerating Ali's body, according to one of the witnesses, Arslan.

About the same time nearby, Ali Salman, 31, was driving home, also unaware of the unannounced American checkpoints. He apparently didn't see the soldiers either and was killed.

Ghaleb Laftah, 24, who was sitting in the back of Salman's Honda, and Wisam Sabri, sitting in the front passenger seat, were wounded.

"There was no light. We didn't see the Americans," said Laftah, limping from a leg injury as he walked to Salman's wake that was being held under a tent on Bilal Habashi Street.

"We didn't hurt anyone. We didn't break the law," Laftah said, speaking with difficulty because of four broken teeth from the shooting.

"My son, ... the Americans killed him," said Salman's father, Hikmat, who broke down in sobs. "He was on his way home and was caught up in the shooting. He was afraid, got out of the car and they still shot him. He was frightened, then he died. I only have one (son)," he said.

Family members were also holding a wake for Sayf Ali. The men sat under a tent outside the house and the women were indoors, according to Iraqi tradition.

Sabah Azawmi, an uncle and a Sunni Muslim, said his tribe would seek revenge on the Americans.

"They set fire to the car while he was inside," said Azawmi.

"They are terrified of the Iraqis. If they weren't afraid, they wouldn't behave this way," he said.

But Hikmat Salman, Ali Salman's father and a Shiite Muslim, said he was not interested in revenge. He said he would leave that to God.

The Kawaz family, also Shiites, also said they would leave revenge to God.

"I wish Saddam (Hussein) would return and kill all Americans," Anwaar Kawaz said. Under Saddam, "we used to go out at one in the morning. We went out at 9 now and they killed us.

"I want to drink Bush's blood. They are all criminals," she said, beating her chest.


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Comment #121 Removed by Moderator

To: Terriergal
Didn't the Iraqi wildmen sabotage those themselves? (and probably continue to do so?)

So the rumors say, and I believe it.

It is really sad, too. In trying to make the US look impotent, they are really hurting the people. Hopefully there will be some local Iraqi leadership that can do something about it.

Just imagine the new business opportunities there...

122 posted on 08/12/2003 5:07:14 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
In trying to make the US look impotent, they are really hurting the people.

Bingo. Because they only care about the former, not the latter. And when the people suffer, they pretend they care about the latter.

123 posted on 08/12/2003 7:54:33 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Burkeman1
yep.
124 posted on 08/12/2003 7:54:52 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: dwd1
How do you collect on them?
125 posted on 08/12/2003 7:55:25 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: clamboat; frostbit; dwd1
But the winner has to be frostbit, who actually suggests that it was Iraqis who shot the civilians, Iraqis in US uniforms

Oh gosh that's just SOOOOO outlandish. Who ever heard of Iraqi soldiers murdering their own civvies?

/sarcasm

126 posted on 08/12/2003 7:57:21 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: clamboat
Terriergal suggests it was the civilians own fault for getting shot,

Did I say that? It is an unfortunate reality, and people have to be aware of that when they decide to rush a checkpoint. In that yes, it was foolish of them.

Go away.

127 posted on 08/12/2003 7:59:31 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: clamboat
You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth in this post. They are in impossible situations yet because they shot civilians that means they are undsiciplined. Have you seen the elephant?
128 posted on 08/12/2003 8:03:04 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal
Perish the thought!!! I am shocked (and in awe) that you would even suggest such a thing...

It is a well known fact that Iraqi Soldiers only use lethal force as a last resort and prefer to employ "warm fuzzies" in confrontations with civilians and in more threatening circumstances, harsh language (darn, dang, hold your 'taters...That type of thing)... Lethal force would be used only as a last resort or if you refused to participate in the state sponsored line dance (the electric slide is mandatory for high school graduation)...
129 posted on 08/12/2003 8:05:38 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
Sounds reasonable. I can see why if the people refused to line dance and used such horrid language, Allah forbid. (cough cough cough) Therefore it *must* have been our guys' fault!
130 posted on 08/12/2003 8:07:37 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal
There was 1.7 billion in frozen assets but Bush had to make the decision to allocate that money only for reconstruction.... The only problem with trying to enforce judgements is the possibility that US companies run the risk of having their assets seized by the governments that are sued in retaliation... It may be that only a moral victory can be achieved. There are governments that have sponsored terrorism that appear ready to provide financial compensation to have economic sanctions lifted (Libya) but I am still taking a "Show me the money!!" attitude on that one.

Sovereign immunity is a two edged sword...

131 posted on 08/12/2003 8:13:22 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
yep.
132 posted on 08/12/2003 8:21:07 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal
I was stationed in Germany and Italy during my military service so I do not know if the following is true or not but it seems to be on point...

No disrespect to anyone from Greece intended...

There was a story that I heard about a GI getting into an accident near Hellinikon... Though he was not at fault because his driving was not the approximate cause of the accident...He was at fault however in the eyes of the other other party and several locals because he was there. In other words, if American servicemen were not in Greece, the accident would never have happened.

That attitude seems to be rampant in Iraq...If we were not there... I hear from old friends that say that they feel we took them out of the frying pan and tossed them into the fire.... There is also an attitude that they resent our servicemen's presence because as a very proud people (cradle of civilization and all....) they do not like being indebted... It would be like having to see the banker that helped approved the loan for your house... You feel indebted but after a while, you start to resent his presence because he serves as a reminder of what you could not do for yourself....

I guess it is an updated and more hostile version of that "Overpaid, oversexed, and over here!!!" thinking....
133 posted on 08/12/2003 8:25:30 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
as a very proud people (cradle of civilization and all....) they do not like being indebted...

Get over it, I say. Too much pride can be detrimental.

They're so proud they don't like to be indebted, they'd rather be oppressed? In addition to being proud they sound a bit schizoid.

he serves as a reminder of what you could not do for yourself....

An inability to accept reality is a big sign of mental illness, isn't it?

134 posted on 08/12/2003 8:57:08 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: dwd1
Good tagline.
135 posted on 08/12/2003 8:57:25 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal
I am sure that you are aware that men go through the "Nile" stages of life...

From Juvenile
to Denial
to Senile...

I am not sure where they stand over there but I think ICN pharmaceuticals in going to clean up on the Zoloft, Vicadin, and Prozac sales...
136 posted on 08/12/2003 9:11:04 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Terriergal
You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth in this post. They are in impossible situations yet because they shot civilians that means they are undsiciplined. Have you seen the elephant?

I don't see my position as contradictory at all (big surprise, huh?).

The troops are in an impossible condition - precisely because they are undiciplined (in some cases) and jittery, yet they have been tasked with a role that they were not trained for. However, the fact that they have been put into a bad position does not excuse the poor judgement when it comes to taking other lives. I don't know what the answer is short of getting the hell out of Baghdad.

137 posted on 08/12/2003 9:14:31 AM PDT by clamboat
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To: CanadianFella
Most of the reports of low morale are bogus and even some of the reports of attacks on US soldiers have been bogus. The NYT had to print a retraction of the story that they printed and distributed for the Sunday edition because the whole story turned out to be a fabrication.

You Canadians really should be a little more discriminating about your news sources.
138 posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:21 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eagle Eye

139 posted on 08/12/2003 11:16:28 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE (admin mod, msb)
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To: RIGHT IN SEATTLE; Admin Moderator
Why post this picture with that particular tag line?
140 posted on 08/13/2003 8:25:09 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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