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To: risk
First, let me ask if you are a Libertarian?

Almost all my family members are all God fearing patriotic racist union democrats. My first vote, fresh out of my high school indoctrination was for Dukakis. Then I got a job, moved out on my own, and began paying taxes. With the help of Rush Limbaugh, I soon discovered I am a Republican. I voted for Bush, Dole, and Dubya. I am a dues paying member of the RNC and the Republican Party of Wisconsin. I have been to 3 Republicans State conventions. I have shaken the hands of Bob Dornan, Alan Keyes and then Governor Dubya.

The population of the planet was half then what it is now.

If I had to guess I’d say affluence, low child mortality, and the rise of corporate farms has diminished the instinct for survival/procreation. In the 1900s most families farmed their own food. Farmer’s needed bear several sons to help with the farm and because only some would live to become adults. Today migrant workers and machines have created cheap and plentiful food.

which side are you on?

I’m on America’s side. My comments about the Injuns was to point out if you go far enough back your predecessors were not born in America, and if the Injuns could have argued against letting in immigrants they probably would have uses words just like yours to keep you from being an American today.

I’m on my Party’s side. In the 1920s-1930 the Republican Party pushed through several anti-immigration bills and anti-trade bills. The two go hand in hand...witness Buchanan. Soon came Depression and 60 years of Democratic control of House and Senate. I do not believe in coincidences.

You quote Reagan's comments about being a beacon to the world as though it automatically sustains your position.

I quote Reagan because he is intensely popular among Republicans and I agree with so much that he said…like this from his acceptance speech at the Republican convention in 1980. I’ll provide a link because the whole thing rocks!

Can we doubt that only a Divine Providence placed this land, this island of freedom, here as a refuge for all those people in the world who yearn to breathe freely: Jews and Christians enduring persecution behind the Iron Curtain, the boat people of Southeast Asia, of Cuba and Haiti, the victims of drought and famine in Africa, the freedom fighters of Afghanistan and our own countrymen held in savage captivity.

You don't seem to know as wide a range of immigrants as I do.

You know nothing about me and even if you assertion is true it means nothing. I am 100% Polish (the true MASTER RACE) My great Grandparents on my mother's and father's side couldn’t speak a word of English when they got off the boat. They came to America as part of the second wave of Polish immigration. This probably indicates I have Jewish heritage as well, but I suspect my grandparents felt it was safer to be called a stupid Pollack rather than a dirty Jew in the early 1900s.

I didn't say there weren't exceptions. And I didn't say even that most of them have the negative characteristics that I cited.

“I’m not racist, some of my favorite immigrants have no negative characteristics”…fascinating.

how much blood has your family given for this country?

Both my grandfathers fought in WW2 but my mom’s father took a bullet in the pacific, and her oldest brother fought in Korea. My father lost an uncle in Korea (poor bastard never saw combat, he was killed during training.) My brother loaded bombs for the Airforce in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War. I don’t have to justify my existence to any man, but I just wanted you to know that my story is typical of millions of other Americans that you don’t think are worthy to wash your car, clean your toilets, or mow your lawn.

From a tribute page for Army PFC Diego Fernando Rincon…he was awarded his citizenship posthumously

I'm sure you know about Diego Rincon of Conyers who died fighting for this great country of ours in Iraq. His father, George, owns the carpet cleaning service that we use. My wife talked to him the other day and even though his son died, all he could say between the choke ups is how proud he is to be in this country (I believe they are from Colombia originally), and how proud he is that his son chose to defend this country. We told him that at the very least his son died the most honorable death there is, and that we were very proud to have him and his family here in the greatest country in the world.

Those of us who have given our family's blood for this country might have a different opinion from yours, so quick to open the floodgates to the exponential population explosion happening outside.

Diego’s father lost his son and he is proud as hell to be here. I’m proud as hell he is in this country making a living. You have more in common with the Kennedy family’s pomposity than with most middle class Americans, Mr. we've been here since 1655. I said it before, but I feel I must repeat it...I can tell the difference between a person like you and the Mexican immigrants who are happy they don't have to make their sister sleep with the sheriff. They marvel at the limitless freedom of this country and you fret that America is nearly destroyed.

487 posted on 08/09/2003 8:30:21 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: Once-Ler
I'm not going to hash over your whole post again this time. But if I was wrong about you, you're doubly wrong about me. Anyway, I'm sure we'll find common ground on some other issue, just not this one, at least not for now.

One thing I have to clarify is that I never said anything about disliking anyone on the basis of race or (legal) immigration status. You seem to have confused my wish to have our immigration laws become stricter and be enforced with racism. That's wrong, but there's no way I can demonstrate that for you.

I think the real difference between us is that you believe America has boundless wealth and strength, and I believe no matter how great it is, this land and its current people (no matter what race they are) needs to be conserved and defended like a precious commodity. It's easy to get overconfident when your country seems to be riding on the top of the world.
488 posted on 08/09/2003 8:48:02 PM PDT by risk
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