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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

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KEYWORDS: citizensarrest; crime; illegalimmigrants
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To: Once-Ler
You live in a pretty low crime area --- the types of crime in those links is quite different too --- not nearly so many murders. I live in a very hispanic area ---lots of illegals too ---but there isn't all that much violent crime, lots of property crime so most people have iron bars on windows and doors plus high fences. Across the border the violent crime rates are extremely high and getting worse --- which is why most people here ---- including hispanics don't want an open border. I know Mexicans who lived in Juarez who say they don't even go back to visit.

I realize not all illegals are violent --- and there are some you could give a key to every lock you have and they wouldn't think about stealing but that doesn't mean the violent criminals aren't coming over also.
601 posted on 08/14/2003 6:01:34 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Once-Ler
I have sheepishly opened "my comments" in a cold sweat for fear of how some of my comments might have been taken. I'm amazed some morning after a late night of heated debate to find I still have an account and I wonder what kind of a jerk do you have to be to get your posting privileges revoked here?

Maybe they get more lenient when threads get real long or they see the hour of the night people are posting their debate. Probably most of us sometimes have that "wish I wouldn't have posted that" feeling.

602 posted on 08/14/2003 6:04:50 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Cultural Jihad
but if they are going to be accosted and lynched by Nazis then I hope they do become armed in order to defend their inalienable rights from the psychotic monsters who would do them harm.

That statement is so incoherent and moronic it leaves me speechless. Have you taken your meds this morning?

Their inalienable rights? To what, suck the AMERICAN taxpayer dry?

"I hope they do become armed..."

Despicable...and shows your true intentions. A true Bushbot free traitor...no matter what the cost.

603 posted on 08/14/2003 6:32:36 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Does committing misdemeanors give others a right to commit felonies upon them? That would be MoronicusMaximus.
604 posted on 08/14/2003 6:51:24 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Catspaw
I was just joking. My grandfather had a farm in Stevens Point, where most of my relatives also live, and I've been much farther north on vacations and business. There are good people all over Wisconsin. I hardly think Madison is filled with good people. Madison is a city that is represented in the state by the felonious Chvala, and represented in the US House by a socialist dyke. Northern Wisconsin is smart enough to elect people like Jim Sensenbrenner.
605 posted on 08/14/2003 9:28:15 AM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: Once-Ler
I was just joking. My grandfather had a farm in Stevens Point, where most of my relatives also live, and I've been much farther north on vacations and business. There are good people all over Wisconsin. I hardly think Madison is filled with good people. Madison is a city that is represented in the state by the felonious Chvala, and represented in the US House by a socialist dyke. Northern Wisconsin is smart enough to elect people like Jim Sensenbrenner.

I knew you were joking :-)) My hubby's parents farmed around Wausau. And we DO live in Green Bay, breathlessly awaiting the dedication of the new Lambeau.

But as far as Madison goes, it's really another world, an alternate reality. I do like going there once in a while and just watch the people on State St. It's a zoo.

606 posted on 08/14/2003 9:35:33 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I've heard the in the coffin, the hair and fingernails of the recently deceased continue to grow.

If Steven King hasn't written it yet, perhaps he will write a gothic horror tale of "dead seed corn" -- seed which produces a bounty crop, yet everyone who eats of it becomes one of the "undead"!

607 posted on 08/14/2003 8:01:34 PM PDT by bvw (---Trip wire ... please make sure claymoe is pointed THIS SIDE towards enemy. ----))
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To: Cultural Jihad
Guilty
608 posted on 08/21/2003 11:29:12 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

So one supposes that makes these border vigilantes "illegals." ;-)

609 posted on 08/21/2003 11:37:27 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
To hell with the "niceities"! The illegals or wetbacks deserve to be deported! Maybe the vigilantes should just round them up and handcuff them to a fence post, call the Border Patrol, and split after pinning a note on each that says "Please send me home to Mexico, or any other SA republic."


610 posted on 08/21/2003 11:45:32 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Invading our country illegally should be a capital crime.

No, we are a Christian nation. We do not shoot unarmed economic refugees because we dislike how our liberal politicians cater and pander to those who need their labor.

No reason NOT to arrest them and deport them though!


611 posted on 08/21/2003 11:49:01 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: texson66
Hey, that can be fun. Then the "illegals" can handcuff the vigilantes to the sewer grates and pin notes on them saying "Que pasa, Calabaza?!" (sheesh)

Again, if people are going to have felonies committed against them for committing misdemeanors, then maybe they need to carry arms in order to defend their inalienable rights from these criminal gangs who are infringing upon them.

612 posted on 08/21/2003 11:50:37 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
If we dont defend our borders from the illegals, THEN WHO WILL? Apparently not our LEOs( at any level( local, county,state, or federal)! When the law does not work,then the citizens of the US have the right to round the the illegal immigrants up and send them home! (Revolutionary?? Perhaps...but THE citizen vigilantes would not be attacking the US government)

I would welcome the illegals to carry arms: then perhaps the doofuses in Washington would wake up and realize WE ARE BEING INVADED AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE!!!! If the illegal flood continues, then either we lose control of our own nation, or it will come to another war with Mexico!


613 posted on 08/21/2003 12:16:25 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: texson66

On many levels, if a law is not being enforced by those whose job it is to do so, then the fault belongs to the voters.

614 posted on 08/24/2003 7:50:02 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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