man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants

Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

[CWOJackson]

Not at all. It's the same argument you would make if a group of armed vigilantes came upon your wife and children and demanded their papers. And if you wife decided that she did not have to answer to these people, as they have no legal authority whatsoever to make this demand, and they decided to point their weapons at her and your children then cuff them...

What would your response be then?

1) Why Honey, you and the kids had no business being in an area where armed vigilantes are questioning people.

2) Gee Honey, you and the kids should have simply shown the men in civilian clothing and no badges your papers and they would have let you go about your business.

3) Hey Hun, if the government was doing it's job you and the kids wouldn't have been scared to death; get over it.

Now me, I'm just going to be very, very angry. And those people who did that to my wife and children are going to wish deeply that their mothers had believe in choice and elected it over giving them birth.

[CWOJackson]

It was a stupid point and it was just acknowleged.

[Poohbah]

Illegals are felons crossing international boundaries with illegal intent.

I hate to tell you this: illegally crossing the border, in and of itself, is not a felony.

[Cultural Jihad]

I guess the simple answer would be a confrontation with a large number of people. There is power in numbers, and the illegals would realize that and sit and wait for the BP.

I doubt thatb is necessary. Someone posted here that he has often effected perfectly lawful citizen's arrests upon dozens of illegal immigrants, and has never had to unholster his pistol. The idea is to not commit a felony while trying to apprehend someone who has committed a misdemeanor.

[CWOJackson]

"Illegals are felons crossing international boundaries with illegal intent."

You're right about it not being a felony but you have to admit aliens crossing our international boundaries are a serious threat to our people. Have you ever seen Canadian drivers down in the states? I saw shoot them all!

[CWOJackson]

"Illegals are felons crossing international boundaries with illegal intent."

You're right about it not being a felony but you have to admit aliens crossing our international boundaries are a serious threat to our people. Have you ever seen Canadian drivers down in the states? I SAY shoot them all!

[Cultural Jihad]

It aint the same thing. Parking infractions and such are mere misdemeanors by US residents. Illegals are felons crossing international boundaries with illegal intent. They are criminals and must be treated as such.

No, you are wrong. Crossing a border illegally is a misdemeanor offense for the vast majority of immigrants. A person has to be caught numerous times for it to rise to a felony.

[CWOJackson]

"Just wonder how some of the bleeding hearts on this thread would react if a loved one had ever been brutalized by one of these..."

Vigilantes with guns? I know how I would react.

[Cultural Jihad]

I didn't realize they shot the criminals. I thought all they did was round them up and handcuff them.

I was reacting to the poster who said the misdemeanor offense should be a capital offense.

[Cultural Jihad]

What happened to "citizen's arrest." If you held a burglar until the cops showed up it would be OK. What on earth is going on in this country?

A person can effect a valid citizen's arrest for a misdemeanor if they actually witness the crime. Even then, one has to follow the laws in effecting a valid arrest. Just because someone commits a misdemeanor does not give someone else a license to commit a felony.

[CWOJackson]

Amazing, some of these very people defending these vigilantes are the same one's who are frequently screaming about abuses by the police.

[Cultural Jihad]

These guys need to learn the "three S's". Shoot, shovel, shut up. Especially with the river right there. Get them while they are attacking yet still in the river and let the water do the rest of the disposal job.

That someone commits a misdemeanor does not give others a license to commit cold-blooded murder. Maybe you should be elsewhere than among conservatives who are big on justice.

[Libertina]

Illegal aliens. Notifying the cops. Holding the illegals until they arrive. Sorry, don't see the problem here.

[CWOJackson]

There are a lot of U.S. citizens who live along that border of Hispanic orgins. Are they somehow required to show their papers to these vigilantes?

If they refuse to show their papers to civilians with no legal authority to demand them (something to do with Constitutional rights or some other bothersome thing), can those civilians restrain and threaten them?

[Libertina]

You immediately spring to the theory that some hispanics were just ambling around and bad "vigilantes" grabbed them. I am going to give my fellow americans who are in the midst of this flood of illegals the benefit of the doubt. I suspect they caught them wandering in the border desert area, perhaps carrying plastic bags of personal belongings etc. But here is the real easy solution: the government should do its job and stop this illegal border crossing garbage. The citizens have a right to expect their government to NOT ABET LAWBREAKERS. If the government does, why should citizens not protect themselves?

Have you ever read the threads here by Jackalope Breeder, who has shown the destruction of land and personal property by these illegals? Even here in the Seattle area we are being innundated. We have schools that are majority hispanic. And no, we are NOT allowed to ask if they are legal before they get all the benefits. The situation is extreme because it has been ignored by elected officials. I do not attack my fellow Americans or blame them for trying to turn it around.

[Poohbah]

You immediately spring to the theory that some hispanics were just ambling around and bad "vigilantes" grabbed them.

Long and short, that's EXACTLY what they did.

They did not witness the border crossing, which is a misdemeanor, and not subject to citizen's arrest unless it is directly witnessed.

[Libertina]

Perhaps they wouldn't be so angry if their elected officials upheld US law. And the people they held were illegal, weren't they?

[Poohbah]

Perhaps they wouldn't be so angry if their elected officials upheld US law.

Ah, yes.

"We must understand their rage." -- Maxine Waters, defending her co-tribalists' behavior in 1992.

And the people they held were illegal, weren't they?

THIS time, yes.

But, suppose I decide that you don't look like you're here legally (based on whatever criteria I choose to employ).

Do I have the right to (a) demand your identification papers, and (b) detain you at gunpoint and handcuff you when you refuse to provide said papers?

Just answer that question with a "yes" or a "no."

[brianl703]

Does the law as it is written make only repeat offenses of border crossing a felony?

I'd try digging up the law section myself, but I'm not that familiar with how to find federal codes online.

[cajun-jack]

during my career i have arrested many folks and i handcuffed them and they knew i had a gun. what's the big deal...maybe they should start arresting yuma sheriff deputies for obstructing justice and handcuff them.