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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: citizensarrest; crime; illegalimmigrants
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To: AZ GRAMMY
Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

Y'all just stand there for a while while I make a call.

321 posted on 08/08/2003 6:53:12 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: RippleFire

As someone else posted on this thread, that is exactly what he has done many times. His gun stays in its holster and he's never had any problems obeying the law.

322 posted on 08/08/2003 6:58:19 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: RippleFire
Bump to read later.
323 posted on 08/08/2003 6:58:32 AM PDT by georgiabelle
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To: Once-Ler
Your entire rant looks like it was produced by the National Council of La Raza or that bunch of Ford Foundation lackeys at MALDEF. Sickening, really.
324 posted on 08/08/2003 7:19:47 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
If the government were doing it's job, then these vigilantes would not feel the need to step up and do something.

When the government refuses to enforce the laws of the land and protect the sovreignty of the contry, then the people are well within their rights to enfoce them and/or force a change in the government through any means neccessary.
326 posted on 08/08/2003 7:55:52 AM PDT by Turbo Pig
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To: Once-Ler
"Citizens could be carrying any number of things. The least of which are drugs or small explosives. How about highly contagious diseases. TB, SARS, this list could be quite long. It is good to know that Tom Ridge can count on your suport when random strip searches are conducted in your neighborhood. Anybody ever tell you "you look French?"

Uh...yeah, that's on topic. What does this comment have to do with illegals circumventing this countries ports of entry?
327 posted on 08/08/2003 8:49:24 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: MrLeRoy; Cathryn Crawford; vin-one; bassmaner
The FR Drug Warrior clique is imploding before our eyes on this thread. :-)
328 posted on 08/08/2003 8:55:29 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: jmc813
Post #235 has been removed; what was the beef?
329 posted on 08/08/2003 8:57:54 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: CWOJackson
The border patrol has the legal authority, and the proper training/experience, to stop people and challenge them.

That's the same logic gun-grabbers use when arguing that only the police and military should have guns.

330 posted on 08/08/2003 9:03:34 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: PRND21
Boozed up weekend warriors do dumb things.

Provide evidence that any citizen border patrol volunteer has been intoxicated while patroling.

331 posted on 08/08/2003 9:04:36 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: AZ GRAMMY
What happened to "citizen's arrest." If you held a burglar until the cops showed up it would be OK. What on earth is going on in this country?
332 posted on 08/08/2003 9:13:30 AM PDT by Libertina
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To: AZ GRAMMY
The Feds can't do it - so?
333 posted on 08/08/2003 9:18:11 AM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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To: dennisw
I would say this: I believe that any nation that wants to control its borders can do so.

We can. It will require a 20 foot reinforced and electrified barrier with razor wires around the border and patrols by armed soldiers with night vision goggles. It will require the gunning down of families that escape to our country, if they refuse to stop or they don't understand the words "halt and put your hands in the air or you will be fired at." It will require a dictator who can ignore the pleas of his countrymen to "have some compassion" (you may want to forget America's reaction when Elian was sent back, but it doesn't change the political fact that most Americans have hearts and souls.) It will require the Patriot III-IX acts, incredible violations of our privacy, a huge government database, and a national ID.

Closing the borders is not worth the price. It would be better to do what Dubya has proposed. Like Reagan, Dubya has proposed amnesty for working families, tougher enforcement of current laws for criminals, increasing the flow of legal immigration, and free trade to prevent families from wanting to leave Mexico. It may not be a perfect solution but it is far better than closing the door to the shining city. I am sure that your predecessors would agree.

334 posted on 08/08/2003 10:05:37 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Tancredo Fan
My entire rant is beautiful. Much like this one from Ronald Reagan

“I’ve spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don’t know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get there. That’s how I saw it, and see it still.”
Farewell Address to the Nation, January 11, 1989

You cannot see the beauty in this quote because your heart and soul are black and evil.

Have a nice day :)
335 posted on 08/08/2003 10:09:41 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Once-Ler; dennisw
Your buddy Ronnie is responsible for signing the outrageous 1986 amnesty which let to the nightmare we are experiencing today. Seek professional help. You appear to be in dire need of it.
336 posted on 08/08/2003 10:16:06 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: moehoward
Citizens could be carrying any number of things. The least of which are drugs or small explosives. How about highly contagious diseases. TB, SARS, this list could be quite long.

What does this have to do with illegals circumventing this countries ports of entry? They are your words. All I did was change the word illegals to citizens. I agree they are not pertinent to this topic except if you are a slack jawed racist. I didn't want to call you that. I prefer you point it out yourself. Thank you very much.

Have a nice day.

337 posted on 08/08/2003 10:16:45 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Tancredo Fan
Your buddy Ronnie is responsible for signing the outrageous 1986 amnesty which let to the nightmare we are experiencing today. Seek professional help. You appear to be in dire need of it.

You don't like Ronald Reagan Tancredo Fan? I bet Tancredo likes Ronald Reagan, and you can bet Reagan is a hero to me.

Reagan too much of a RINO for you Evil One? I could use a good laugh please respond more.

338 posted on 08/08/2003 10:26:21 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: jmc813
That's the same logic gun-grabbers use when arguing that only the police and military should have guns.

Good point. But don't look for it to be acknowledged anytime soon.

Frustrating, isn't it?

339 posted on 08/08/2003 10:29:40 AM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Traficant is a real conservative who will stomp out the socialist rats but good!)
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To: Once-Ler
I suppose your comments may anger some. But once the source is considered, it's just sadly comedic.
340 posted on 08/08/2003 10:44:36 AM PDT by moehoward
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