man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants

Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

[PRND21]

there are millions of Americans who live in the 'United States of Mexico,

Parasites! Where are my pest graphics? ;)

[Hila]

That's true about being federal criminals. We are so in favor of every right - except that these foreigners and illegal trespassors have only one right. And that is to stay on their side of the border!!!!!!!

[breakem]

Based upon your response you support the theft of land of those who don't follow the will of God. I have asked you before what theocracy you live in. (You may not remember since you have selective memory about your shortcomings, so treat this as a first time request if you wish).

Not knowing what god you believe in I must inform you that we conservatives here believe that that would be stealing and that would be a sin and a law violation in this country. Perhaps I can refer you to other beliefs we hold dear in our country.

[PRND21]

I've only seen him subbing for O'Reilly on Fox.
I'd be interested to see who he supports in the recall election.

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

If it was assault every police officer that ever made an arrest would be brought up on charges. You are lying when you say the women and children were assaulted. In the report the INS says the illegal aliens were unharmed.

No. You are lying. We are not talking about police officers. Dumas is not a police officer. You and I are not allowed to stop anyone we please and hold them with handcuffs at the point of a gun. It is illegal as the article explaines...

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident...

You could avoid people thinking you are an idiot if you would just read the article first.

187 posted on 08/07/2003 10:51 PM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
 

Why are they being charged with aggravated assault?  Any idea?  It was the physical act of placing the handcuffs on the illegal aliens.  Once you make physical contact, you've committed assault.

Heh heh heh, care to venture how many suspects are taken into custody by police officers without being handcuffed?  Are all these officers charged with aggravated assault?  They have guns on and are touching the perps as they put handcuffs on them.

Like I said, this was not assault in the common sense definition of the charge.  It is a trumped up charge intended to intimidate these men into never apprehending illegal aliens again.

[PRND21]

Thanks. I appreciate that.

[RinaseaofDs]

You forgot the sarcasm switch, didn't you?

The Sheriff's point is arguable. You witness a man beating a women over the head with a pipe in the street. You overpower the man and hold him until you make a 911 call and the police arrive.

Unlawful imprisonment?

Similar situation:

Store owner apprehends shoplifters and holds them at bay with a .357 Magnum until police arrives.

Unlawful imprisonment?

Sorry. If the police can't do the job, a well regulated militia can. The state doesn't have a case.

[CWOJackson]

"Heh heh heh, care to venture how many suspects are taken into custody by police officers without being handcuffed? Are all these officers charged with aggravated assault? They have guns on and are touching the perps as they put handcuffs on them."

Actually, that would be because they are commissioned officers of the law.

[PRND21]

It is a trumped up charge intended to intimidate these men into never apprehending illegal aliens again.

Ridiculous Spencer/Simcox Defense

[Geritol]

I am surprised that someone has not yet pointed out (that I saw anyway) that the "alleged" illegal aliens were being monitored by authorities, but authorities were only dispatched when it was seen the the illegals were being detained by private citizens. What is up with that?

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

"Heh heh heh, care to venture how many suspects are taken into custody by police officers without being handcuffed? Are all these officers charged with aggravated assault? They have guns on and are touching the perps as they put handcuffs on them."

Actually, that would be because they are commissioned officers of the law.

208 posted on 08/07/2003 11:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
 

So no citizens are able to execute a citizens arrest without being charge with assault?  That's an interesting point of view.

[KEVLAR]

I believe that is refered to as the status quo.

[Cultural Jihad]

God laughs upon two occasions. God laughs when two brothers stretch some string across the land and claim 'This side belongs to me and that side belongs to you.' God laughs because the entire universe belongs to Him alone.

God laughs again when a doctor tells the mother of a gravely ill child, 'Don't worry mother. I shall certainly cure your child.' God laughs because He has commanded that the soul of the child shall return to Him that very hour, and no one is able to stop it.

[mrustow]

Be that as it may, Chileans are Americans, as are Dominicans and Cubans and Peruvians and Brazilians and El Salvadorans. We can say we are the United States, but then there are millions of Americans who live in the 'United States of Mexico,' too.

Not to mention the United States of Brazil. But that's an argument on behalf of the term "American." And Mexicans don't even think of themselves as "Americans," let alone identify themselves as such, so why are you inventing a fictional identity for them?

You remind me of the reporters who change the words of immigrants (legal and otherwise), and claim they all said they wanted to come to "the United States." I've never heard an immigrant talk of coming to "the United States." It was always "America." There is only one nation on the face of the earth named "America." You can deny that all you want, just as you can insist, if you like, with an equal lack of justification, that you are Julius Caesar.

[CWOJackson]

Not interesting at all. Citizens do not have the same legal authority that a sworn law enforcement officer does; it's really a very simple concept.

[Cultural Jihad]

Like I said, this was not assault in the common sense definition of the charge. It is a trumped up charge intended to intimidate these men into never apprehending illegal aliens again.

Ideologue nonsense. Read the article, since it clearly states the charge of aggravated assault stems from the use of guns to detain the victims.

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

It is a trumped up charge intended to intimidate these men into never apprehending illegal aliens again.

Ridiculous Spencer/Simcox Defense

209 posted on 08/07/2003 11:04 PM PDT by PRND21
 

Rediculous La Raza, MechLa, Hermandad Nacional, Democrat Party, Socialist's Party, Trade Union, A.N.S.W.E.R. and Aztlan.com defense.

You've got a lot of support out there.

[Khepera]

I physically held a man who was harrassing a woman until the police came. They arrested him, not me! Why is this different?

[DoughtyOne]

Aggravated:  The presence of guns...

[Cultural Jihad]

Beating a woman with a pipe is a felony. Crossing a border without a visa is usually a misdemeanor. We don't allow people to commit felonies upon those who commit misdemeanors. It's really a simple concept of justice.