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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: citizensarrest; crime; illegalimmigrants
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To: PRND21
To: DoughtyOne

Now would you care to address the issue I asked you about?

He did. You were wrong.

Quit sniping because you missed one. After all, what does a Reformer have to be bitter about? ;)

134 posted on 08/07/2003 10:09 PM PDT by PRND21
 

This is the issue on the table bud.  I don't care if you agree with me or not, but at least keep up with the discussion.
 

To: Cultural Jihad

Are you saying it isn't illegal to be in the country without documentation? Inquiring minds would like to know who we're dealing with here. Are you a coyote, a
profiteer on this mess or a member of La Raza, Hermandad Nacional or some other advocacy group?

What side are you on in this holy war on culture? Thanks in advance.

108 posted on 08/07/2003 9:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)

141 posted on 08/07/2003 10:17:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: mrustow
Not at all. That is just your supposition and conjecture. I was going to write "America" at first but then realized that Mexicans are Americans, too.
142 posted on 08/07/2003 10:17:50 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Since you asked, I am in favor of instituting a bracero-type program again to bring in those who choose to work in North America. Once the work is completed the guest workers are sent home.

The problem I see with this proposal is that it simply shifts some of the people, those who would have entered the United States illegally, into a legal guest worker program. But those people who want to come to the United States, and who aren't accepted into the guest worker program, will enter the United States illegally, just as they are doing now.

143 posted on 08/07/2003 10:18:17 PM PDT by usadave
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To: PRND21
What has this to do with Kobe? If you want to disrupt, find another thread.
144 posted on 08/07/2003 10:19:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
"................the land belongs to those who will follow the will of God."
145 posted on 08/07/2003 10:19:24 PM PDT by breakem
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To: DoughtyOne
Are you a coyote

By all means, continue with your hard hitting investigation.

You went postal right after he corrected your mistake...go look.

146 posted on 08/07/2003 10:19:24 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: usadave
Perhaps, but I imagine that would be the case only if it is difficult or time-consuming to secure an entry card.
147 posted on 08/07/2003 10:19:46 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: PRND21
Being charged with a crime is not bing convicted of a crime. We shall see how this case plays out. Now, declare victory to yourself and walk away with pride.
148 posted on 08/07/2003 10:22:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: DoughtyOne
No, no, no, no, no, no, and God's.
149 posted on 08/07/2003 10:22:06 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: DoughtyOne
What has this to do with Kobe?

I was responding to someone's question. Try reading the "reply to" number...you'll get less confused.

150 posted on 08/07/2003 10:23:04 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne
Being charged with a crime is not bing convicted of a crime.

Like Kobe?

151 posted on 08/07/2003 10:24:28 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Not quite.
In this case there should be evidence if it was caught on videotape.
In the other as far as I have seen, it is a case of one persons word against another.

152 posted on 08/07/2003 10:25:08 PM PDT by KEVLAR
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To: Cultural Jihad
Some days CJ I am just exhausted.

Today is one of them. Negative stuff seeps in on the tired days.

Hope and perserverance prevail in the long run.

Today though I am sick and tired.
153 posted on 08/07/2003 10:25:56 PM PDT by oceanperch (Hasta La Vista America!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
So you're saying God deosn't think the US has a right to set policy over it's own borders. That's an interesting viewpoint. What other laws does God not want the US to devlop or enforce?

Are all misdemeanors and felonies not striken down, or just the ones you don't like?

BTW, I didn't note your link to any place on the forum where you advocated for US policy regarding it's sovereign borders.
154 posted on 08/07/2003 10:26:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Taking a detached view (which is generally never recommended when viewing one's own society), the land belongs to those who will follow the will of God.

138 posted on 08/07/2003 10:14 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

155 posted on 08/07/2003 10:27:36 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Cultural Jihad
Perhaps, but I imagine that would be the case only if it is difficult or time-consuming to secure an entry card.

So if it isn't convenient for the infesting hordes to follow our rules they should be permitted to sneak in with impunity?

156 posted on 08/07/2003 10:28:00 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: KEVLAR
I was joking in regards to Kobe. Your point was correct, of course.
157 posted on 08/07/2003 10:28:58 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
To: PRND21

That is what they are CHARGED with. Does not mean they are guilty.

137 posted on 08/07/2003 10:12 PM PDT by KEVLAR
 

To: KEVLAR

Like Kobe?

140 posted on 08/07/2003 10:15 PM PDT by PRND21
 

And you think I'm confused?

158 posted on 08/07/2003 10:30:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: Tancredo Fan

Not at all, just that others should not be allowed to commit felonies with impunity upon those who commit misdemeanors.

159 posted on 08/07/2003 10:30:27 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Perhaps, but I imagine that would be the case only if it is difficult or time-consuming to secure an entry card.

I concur. It would also depend on the total number of people who are accepted into the guest worker program.

160 posted on 08/07/2003 10:30:56 PM PDT by usadave
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