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GIBSON'S PASSION (New York Sun op-ed by ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman)
The New York Sun/ADL Website ^ | 8/4/03 | Abraham H. Foxman

Posted on 08/07/2003 5:56:58 PM PDT by DPB101

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1 posted on 08/07/2003 5:56:59 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Dear Mr. Foxman: here's some advice for you
2 posted on 08/07/2003 5:59:18 PM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: DPB101
Abraham "Twentieth Century" Foxman has made up his mind about the movie. As for it possibly stoking anti-Semitism, I'd like to remind Foxman anti-Semites don't need a reason to lash out at Jews. Like Duh.
3 posted on 08/07/2003 5:59:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: DPB101
Since Abe loves to quote the Vatican about the Catholic Church, I guess Abe will now accept Jesus as the Messiah because the Catholic Church says so.

LOL.
4 posted on 08/07/2003 6:03:52 PM PDT by TD911
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To: DPB101
Has he SEEN the movie? I know that having access to the facts is not a prerequisite for name-calling (a common avoaction for Mr. Foxman) but he should at least wait until screening the movie before casting stones at Mel Gibson.
5 posted on 08/07/2003 6:08:27 PM PDT by laconic
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To: TD911
the resurgence of anti-semitism is being led by muslims not christians. mr. foxman should worry about overt acts of violence against jews which are overwhelmingly committed in the name of the palestinians and israel's oppression.
i'm jewish and i certainly don't fear any repercussions from mr. gibson's film.
6 posted on 08/07/2003 6:12:39 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: DPB101
Historically, Holy Week (the week leading up to Easter Sunday) was a period when Jews were most vulnerable and when Christians perpetrated some of the worst violence against their Jewish neighbors.

Exactly when was the last outbreak of anti-Jewish violence during Holy Week in America? From the the tone of this article, one would assume it was in the last few years. I may have missed it.

7 posted on 08/07/2003 6:12:53 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: DPB101
Would it be anti semetic to call Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Seigle murdering theives?

Well it was the Jewish priesthood that falsified testimony and trumpt up charges in order to get Jesus murdered "nice an legal like"

They were corupt...Jesus pointed this out time and time again....
So they killed him for it...

Jesus went to his death willingly.. he said "No one takes my life from me ..I lay down my life willingly for the good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep"

Also since Jesus was resurected..He isnt dead...He lives...

So wheres the murder?...if the dead live...is there a murder?

Also if it werent for the Jews (God bless them) we would not have a savior...

Nor would we have had an act of salvation...His plan was that salvation (Jesus) would come to us through the Jews...

So Mel's story is just that...it doesnt dipict the cruelty of the Jewish religous leaders and Romans as much as what it does do...

And that is to show us or at least attempts to...show us just how much Jesus loves us
And what he endured for oursakes..

The modern day Pharasies...the ACLU the ADA..the Southern Poverty Law Center...The People for the American Way..etc etc..cannot stand the name of Christ and the Good News of Salvation be told in public..They work for their father the devil..

They could care less about this false charge of "anti semetism"...their real agenda is to stop Christians from a deeper relationship with Christ one that might lead them to more evangalism

Jesus is awesome ..that he loved us sinners..so much he would go through all that to save us..
Jesus is Lord
8 posted on 08/07/2003 6:18:37 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Restorer
From the the tone of this article, one would assume it was in the last few years. I may have missed it.

Really. It sounds like when the feminists whine that more women get beat up on super bowl sunday than any other day.

I think it is as clear as can be to everyone that Mr. Foxman is just trying to stir up a bogeyman for his fundraising purposes.

9 posted on 08/07/2003 6:19:04 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: DPB101
Recognition by the Vatican of the devastating effects of church teachings about Jews - blaming Jews for the crucifixion, delegitimizing Judaism as a religion, not speaking clearly against anti-Semitism - created new Church doctrine which has transformed Catholic-Jewish relations.

Foxman ought to sign up for some lessons on the Catechism of the Catholic Church. To wit:

1. The Catholic Church cannot "create new Church doctrine."

2. As some folks here on FreeRepublic have pointed out, even elderly Catholics today cannot remember ever being taught any of those silly things about Judaism.

10 posted on 08/07/2003 6:25:28 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alouette
LOL.
11 posted on 08/07/2003 6:27:47 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: contessa machiaveli
the resurgence of anti-semitism is being led by muslims not christians

What a quandry it must be for Mr Foxman to have CAIR on his side.
12 posted on 08/07/2003 6:37:58 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: DPB101
I just LOVE these liars! *NOT*

Catholics "blaming Jews for the crucifixion, delegitimizing Judaism as a religion,..."

Sorry charlie - Blaming Jews for the crucifixion? THAT wasn't taught in any of my Catechism classes. Saying that the "Pharisees were to blame" is the same as "ALL jews are to blame" is asinine. Jesus was a jew. Mary & Joseph were Jews, the Bible all about Jews. Catholics discriminate against Jews?

The second part ... "delegitimizing Judaism as a religion"

What? How? True, it is the mission of a Christian to convert non-CHristians to the faith. According to the New Testament, that is the COMMAND given to us.

Does that de-legitimize Judaism? islam? maoism? Zorastrism? and all the other ...isms? Well..... yes...after all we are supposed to convert the non-Christians - NOT to hate them.
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To: joesnuffy
Well said.
15 posted on 08/07/2003 6:59:21 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: DPB101
You goes nuts when a Jew weighs in against Mel Gibson's upcoming movie. You are obsessed with Jewish defiance and reaction to Gibson's film. "How dare those Yids criticize this film! There are so few of them yet they are such a pain"

FWIW David Horowitz likes the film and it may be good for all I know. But meanwhile we can count on you going ballistic when some Jew speaks up against it. You are absolutely obsessed with Jewish negative reaction to this film. What do you want to do them? Squash them? This is what you try to do via your numerous posts on this subject

I call a spade a spade here and you know it.

 

 

Mel Gibson's Passion - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:49 PM
By David Horowitz
 
 

Mel Gibson's film, The Passion, which is about the last twelve hours of Christ's life is the object of campaign villification and book burning by a committee of Christians and Jews who want to shut it down before it is shown, or edit it to their own politically (or religiously) correct standards. Paula Fredriksen is a spokesman for this committee. The New Republic has shamed itself by printing her ill-informed and bigoted attack on the film.

Unlike Fredriksen and others who want to destroy film before they have seen it, I have. It is not an attempt to portray the historical Jesus -- which is the subject of Fredriksen's entire screed -- nor could it be. By Fredriksen's own account there is no evidentiary basis for such a portrait and if anyone tried to create one it would be eviscerated by the same Savanarolas, precisely because no one can know what the truth is.

Gibson's film is an artistic vision and must be judged that way. Like others who have seen the film, I am sworn to keep details confidential so that it gets its chance when the distributors present it to the viewing public next Easter. However, I will say this: It is an awesome artifact, an overpowering work. I can't remember being so affected by a film before. It is extremely painful to watch and yet the violence is never gratuitous. You never feel like you want to take your eyes off the screen. It is a wracking emotional journey which never strays from its inspirational purpose. It is as close to a religious experience as art can get.

It is not anti-Semitic, as the film-burners have charged. Two illustrative details: Jesus is referred to in the film as "rabbi," and there is never any distancing of Jesus or his disciples from their Jewishness. (One point missed by ignorant bigots like Fredericksen whose only familiarity with The Passion is with a stolen script) is that while the film is in Aramaic -- a brilliant effect that enhances the symbolic resonance of the story -- it has subtitles. Second detail: A Jew carries Jesus' cross along the terrible route to Golgotha and shares his miseries. But yes the film is also faithful to the Gospels and therefore the Pharisees are Jesus' enemies and they and their flock do call for Jesus' death (and why wouldn't they since Jesus was a threat to their authority and their beliefs?).

But all this is to miss the point. This is a Christian parable. The cruelty, intolerance and lack of compassion of human beings is limitless -- and we who have lived through the Twentieth Century know this all too well. The moral of this Christian story -- of Mel Gibson's film -- is that we all killed Jesus -- Jew and Gentile alike -- and tortured him, and we do so every day. But if you believe the vision that Gibson has rendered so searingly and so well, Jesus forgives us for that very act. Whosoever will give up cruelty and love his brother will enter paradise. That is the message that Gibson has framed in his extraordinary work. The effort to shut down his film before it opens is just another station of the cross.

 


16 posted on 08/07/2003 7:14:23 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: DPB101
More righteously indignant prattle from the Perpetually Outraged and Offended.
17 posted on 08/07/2003 7:22:39 PM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: dennisw
You goes nuts when a Jew weighs in against Mel Gibson's upcoming movie. You are obsessed with Jewish defiance and reaction to Gibson's film. "How dare those Yids criticize this film! There are so few of them yet they are such a pain"

That's a legitimate criticism, but you have to admit: there are a number of liberal jews that see swastikas in their cereal bowls and Nazis in every closet.

18 posted on 08/07/2003 7:25:20 PM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Cacophonous
The article author is more about the pernicious corrosive effect of liberalism than about outraged or offended Jews. Here's how you can tell:

Rather than focusing on an effort to find out whether Mr. Gibson is making a movie on the death of Jesus that is consistent with church teachings and free of the anti-Semitism that haunted passion dramas for centuries, the very raising of questions is now being depicted as a part of the culture wars that have overwhelmed American society in recent years. [And rightly so --the liebral bastards don't like it when their covers are pulled-- and that is why this author tries to legitimize his lickspittle as 'not of the culture war'.]

And Kathie Lee Gifford writes that Mr. Gibson "is being so tormented for something that he has every right to do - as an artist in a free country where he is supposed to have the freedom to express and practice his own faith."

This is a strange and unfortunate reaction to the legitimate questions that have been raised. [The questions are legitimate to the liberal bilge spitters only!]

It is the typical technique of liberals to try and legitimize their perspective by questioning any delegitimization to their lickspittle as they set out to spread their lickspittle, and that is the precise approach this 'journalist/op-ed writer' has taken to start his stealth hit-piece.

19 posted on 08/07/2003 7:40:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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First, because there has been a long history of the passion story i.e., the trials, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, being interpreted as holding the Jewish people responsible for killing Jesus.

This is true of history. Holding the Jewish people exclusively responsible for killing Jesus is anti-semitism, imho.

It is not true of the New Testament account. The writer of the gospel of John is a Jew. He says that the "Jews" clamored for Jesus' crucifixion. We're told that Mary is a Jew, Peter is a Jew, Nicodemus is a Jew, etc., etc. At this point, practically all followers of Jesus are Jews. None of them were clamoring for Jesus' crucifixion.

John's use of the word "Jews" was a euphemism for the political leaders. (Perhaps it was derogatory...sarcasm about how they exalted themselves above the common folk.) In any case, it was understood by those who heard it.

Those who don't understand that Jesus is a Jew, really cannot understand that a nexus of leaders had Jesus killed.

But the bible tells a deeper story, actually.

It says that the death of Jesus really belongs at the doorstep of each of us. Our sin put Him on the cross.

As Peter would say of Jesus dying for Peter's own sin, "Not for ours only, but also for the sin of the whole world."

20 posted on 08/07/2003 7:42:46 PM PDT by xzins
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