Wanted, Dead or Alive.
Posted on 08/07/2003 10:52:17 AM PDT by Long Cut
Semiautos and full-auto battle rifles came along only about 60 years ago, and even then, running out of ammo in the face of a human wave attack or a banzai charge was a real possibility.
Nowadays, however, resupply of ammo is an order of magnitude better, and an individual rifle can carry 20-30 rounds on its own. Since ammo is smaller and lighter, the individual Soldier can carry more of it, as well.
Let's not forget, also, that even IF the Soldier runs dry (A pretty big IF, there. It means that a whole lot of other things have gone awry) he can, using modern comms, call down all manner of high-explosive Hell on his enemies in short order. That's another thing...in past wars, losing radio contact was a very real possibility, as only one man in a platoon or company had a radio. Of course, now every Soldier can contact someone.
Because of all this, the bayonet has fallen into very specialized uses...landmine-hunting, poking suspicious brush=piles, and prisoner herding are some that will probably happen far more often than any thrust-and-parry work. The bayonet itself has become a multi-purpose field knife that just happens to have a lug attachement point on it (see the M-9 bayonet).
Bottom line is, it's not as important anymore as is commonly believed.
The .257 Roberts, 6.5X55, and a lot of other 6.5s, are just about the greatest all-around cartridges ever. Lot a stopping power at 300m and very good out-of-the-box accuracy, just where the .223 starts losing its allure.
Reports from Afghanistan are that the .223 is making reliable hits fired from sniper weapons at extreme ranges, but that the bad guy is not hurt too badly unless it's a head or chest shot. In other words, they can keep shooting back.
Pete Kokalis theory is that in order to get accuracy from the 5.56, they have increased the rifling, so you get a small bullet drill-through at long range, rather than the bigger bullet penetration and expansion you need to keep the bad guy down for keeps.
As a kid, I bought a surplus, as new Swedish Mauser in 6.5X55. On the range, it displayed phenomenal accuracy. A 1" group at 100yards ... as delivered for $54.95! Still have it 45 years later.
Must...resist...temptation...NAAAAAHHHHH!
You a Kobe Bryant or O.J. fan?
(I could have gotten SOO much worse...)
Wanted, Dead or Alive.
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FYI, that is still an issue weapon for the USN & USMC!
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You need a southpaw AUG, a French FAMAS or an Israeli TAVOR, all of which can be arranged to eject to the port side. Even better, watch for a forthcoming design that'll toss the empties out the bottom.
There are still problems associated with a bullpup, not the least of which is that with cartridges substantially more powerful than the .223/ 5,56x45mm, the muzzle blast is that much closer to the operator's face. That's more a problem with ultra-compact designs with 16 or 18-inch barrel lengths, moreso than with a full-length 25-inch or so rifle version. But it is a matter worth considering, and various muzzle brakes and suppressors are another possible answer, particularly if a quick-change barrel or upper receiver is fitted.
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12" barrel 50 Alaskan SBR .... 4200 ft-pounds :)
Now wouldn't that shorty carbine be interesting chambered for the new S&W .50 revolver cartridge.
And, of course, the S&W handgun that would share the same cartridge already exists.
Hmmmmmm.
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Stay Safe !
I see absolutely ZERO chance of us moving back to it as a general issue weapon. Don't forget, it was basically FORCED on us, anyway. The cartridge was only a short .30-06 in an era when we should have been moving to a .280 or smaller.
Stay Safe !!
I went a slightly different route, picking up a surplus Swedish M/21 B.A.R. also chambered in the 6,5x55mm cartridge you describe and which so favourable impresses us both. Though the barrel was plugged when obtained, once the 1968 amnesty came around it received a new .30-06 barrel from a M1918A2 BAR, courtesy of a local Air National Guard armorer. But I always wondered how it would do in the original chambering.
About a decade back, I found a like-new Swedish BAR barrel for $75 at a gun show, and restored the old shooter to its original chambering, and to the configuration in which it most likely served some Finnish gunner during the 1939-40 *Winter War* after the Russians invaded Finland in November, 1939. The Finnish *SA in a rectangle* is one clue to that probable use; so are the bloodstain discolourations across one side of the stock and receiver. Some 65 years after it's time of service, it remains a superb instrument.
wee willie klintoon sold 50,000 of them to Taiwan for $50.00 each AND sent several thousand more to the Balkans "on long-term loan" to assure that the M14s would NOT be available to citizens here in the US.
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