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To: biblewonk
I am afraid your position is logically inconsistent. Your first statement, “there is no sound natural argument against sodomy” is known in the field of logic as a “gratuitous assertion.” It is logically defeated by a “gratuitous denial:” “Yes, there is a sound natural argument against sodomy.” (You concede this position in your last statement.)

Unless you can offer indisputable facts and an irrefutable logic chain, your gratuitous assertions are mere expressions of opinion. As opinions are similar to certain portions of anatomy in that everyone, including sodomists, has one, yours is no more valuable nor meaningful than anyone else’s.

Your assertion “the reproduction and health arguments are hypocritical” is equally gratuitous as well as inaccurate. The reproduction and health arguments were/are offered sincerely and are based in indisputable facts cited in the presentation of these arguments. The term “hypocritical” means showing the characteristics of hypocrisy.

hy·poc·ri·sy
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I am not aware of “the overpopulation argument” you are citing as being in favor of sodomy. Nonetheless, I will assume that you are inferring that as sodomists practicing that behavior exclusively do not reproduce, that, therefore, sodomy contributes to a lower population growth. This position is a logically consistent argument. However, your assertion as to its relative strength compared to other arguments is another gratuitous assertion.

Please present the facts and logic chain on which you base your assertions. Otherwise, it would be intellectually appropriate for you to abandon these assertions.
175 posted on 08/20/2003 9:44:21 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog
Would you like for me to prove to that there is a God and that the bible is His Word? You seem to be overly well versed in the terminology of debate. Logic and reason will not prove the bible to you. My perspective is as one who believes the bible and this is not based on logic nor can it be proven though reason.

However, my position remains the same. Other than the fact that God has defined sodomy as a sin, there is no other reason for being opposed to or disliking sodomites except for reasons of prejudice and hypocracy. Nearly every natural claim against sodomy can also be made against normal sex. Even when it comes to procreation, the average person has sex 7000 times in his/her life and only produces 2 children. Therefore 99.97 percent of sex turns out to only have been recreational.

176 posted on 08/20/2003 10:32:03 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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