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To: chance33_98
Homosexuality does serve a excellent purpose.

It serves as catalyst for exposing bigots and other small minded people. If these people did not have homsexuality to expose their demons, we might not know which of our neighbors and associates were dangerous.

112 posted on 08/08/2003 12:37:25 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jeff Gordon
It serves as catalyst for exposing bigots and other small minded people. If these people did not have homsexuality to expose their demons, we might not know which of our neighbors and associates were dangerous.>>

Remember that quote when your pregnant daughter is abandoned by her soon-to-be-ex-husband for another woman, and she (your daughter) is unable to collect child support since adultery is a "private activity" under Lawrence, protected by the "umbras and penumbras" of the Constitution. THAT is where queer marriage is leading: complete disestablishment of state support for marriage.
120 posted on 08/08/2003 3:22:49 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Jeff Gordon
Let me invite those who have commented, or will do so, on this thread and its topic to return to the basic facts and logic of the discussion case. Emotional venting and ad hominem attacks (while, perhaps, satisfying to the originators) do not advance rationale consideration of the topic at hand.

In an attempt to advance the discussion, I will endeavor to summarize the essential essence(s) of relevant arguments presented to date without comment on facts and support (or any lack thereof) previously offered. For those who feel I have left out important approaches or misstated essential elements, please correct this post in a subsequent reply.

Negative Arguments:

1) Utilitarian Assertion: Homosexual behavior serves no useful/productive purpose [to society] and causes significant detriments [both to society and individuals].

2) Resource Inefficient Use/Misapplication Assertion: Homosexual behavior results in significant misuse of societal resources:
a. Increases completely avoidable, deadly disease rates (HIV/AIDS) among its practitioners with attendant increases in premature death rates.
b. Increases other, completely avoidable, potentially less deadly diseases (STD’s) among its practitioners and potentially others (unavoidably).
c. Inordinately diverts resources to the care of completely avoidable diseases (especially in acute stages).
d. Inordinately diverts (in proportion to the percentage of those affected to the overall general population) limited resources into medical research for prevention/cure of these completely avoidable diseases.

3) Societal Degradation Assertion: Homosexual behaviors and open advocacy for their acceptance result in significant detriments to society at large.
a. In ordinate numbers (in proportion to percentage to the total population of perpetrators) of pedophiles are homosexual practitioners.
b. Increasing acceptance of homosexual behavior, in general, will result in increased numbers of homosexual practitioners and resultant increases in cases of pedophilia.
c. Increasing acceptance of homosexual behavior, in general, will result in legalization of homosexual marriage which will degrade the institution of marriage and its benefits to society.
d. Increasing acceptance of homosexual behavior, in general, will result in increased acceptance of child adoption by these practitioners and cause increased societal costs for dealing with children harmed psychologically (and otherwise) by this practice.
e. Increasing acceptance of homosexual behavior, in general, will result in increased acceptance of bigamy, polygamy, incestuous unions, prostitution, bestiality, etc., which will inordinately and adversely affect the family in general and children (future citizens) in particular.
f. Homosexual behavior (by the overwhelming majority of its practitioners) focuses on individual pleasure/self-indulgence to the exclusion of any regard for negative impacts on others (hedonism) and causes a resultant decline in antithetical (to hedonism) virtues beneficial to society such as service to others, self-sacrifice, self-discipline, devotion to duty, etc.
g. Society unnecessarily loses potentially valuable contributions from homosexual practitioners who die prematurely due to avoidable diseases resulting from this behavior.

4) Theological Assertion: No major religion approves of homosexual behavior and most discourage and/or prohibit or condemn it.
a. Homosexual behavior is explicitly condemned multiple times in the Judeo-Christian scriptures (both Old and New Testaments).
b. Homosexual behavior is explicitly condemned in the Islamic foundational documents.
c. Tenants of Buddhism strongly discourage homosexual behavior.
d. Hindu documents discourage homosexual behavior.
e. Homosexual “orientation” is not a problem absent homosexual behavior.

5) Biological/Psychological Assertion: Homosexual behavior is contrary to the natural function of sex and normal human social behavior
a. Procreation is impossible to exclusively homosexual behavior practitioners.
b. If homosexuality were a genetic anomaly, it would appear in the population at much lower incidence than is observed.
c. Homosexual behaviors observed (Skinner, et al) in non-human animals are neurotic, abnormal singularities and require artificial, forced conditions (e.g., overcrowding) and is not seen in the normal habitat and behavior of these animals.
d. Homosexual behavior is a conscious choice by its practitioners… homosexual “orientation”(if it exists) no more requires an individual to participate in homosexual behavior than heterosexual “orientation” requires an individual to participate in rape, bigamy, prostitution or any other sexual activity.

Affirmative Arguments:

1) Libertarian Assertion: Homosexual behavior practiced privately between consenting adults should not be subject to prohibition by the state.

2) Bigotry Assertion: Anyone who condemns (or does not approve regardless of rationale) of homosexual behavior is a “homophobe” and unqualified to speak on the subject and to do so is “hate speech.”

3) Biological/Psychological Counter Assertion: Homosexual behavior in humans is unavoidable.
a. Homosexual behavior is mandated by genetic factors in the individual practitioner… It is not a conscious choice.
b. Homosexual behavior is part of a normal continuum of human sexual behavior.
c. Homosexual behavior has been practiced throughout recorded history.

4) Avoidable Disease Counter Assertion: Homosexual behavior may result in avoidable diseases/premature death such as HIV/AID and STD’s but do other activities, e.g., smoking, driving while intoxicated, etc., and therefore homosexual behavior should not be condemned.

5) Theological Counter Assertion: Some religious organizations do not condemn homosexual behavior, i.e., Episcopal Church, Methodist Church, etc., therefore, it is inappropriate for any to do so.

131 posted on 08/08/2003 10:34:35 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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