Gay Episcopalian bishop predicts other churches will welcome gays

Agence France-Presse. | 8/06/03

[kattracks]

The US Episcopal church's first openly gay bishop predicted that other churches would soon follow his denomination's example in welcoming gays into their leadership.

"I suspect that before too very long, other denominations will also follow and welcome openly gay and lesbian people into leadership positions. That's my prayer," Gene Robinson told ABC television on Wednesday.

A majority of the church's House of Bishops on Tuesday voted 62 to 45 to ratify Robinson's appointment as bishop of New Hampshire, church officials said, ending three days of contentious debate.

Conservatives within church ranks, many of whom have fiercely opposed Robinson's election on the grounds it violates Biblical teachings, were quick to express their disapproval, and a group of 24 bishops threatened to resign if he were elected.

"Well, anytime anyone decides to leave the church, it's a very sad thing. And I certainly have been praying and will be praying every day that such a thing does not happen," Robinson said. "Indeed, I don't think it needs to happen."

"The Episcopal Church in this country, and the Anglican community worldwide, the great gift we bring to the world is we are able to maintain a wide diversity of opinions on various issues while holding our faith in Jesus Christ as central and the thing that binds us together as the body of Christ. So I think there's no reason for us to come apart," Robinson said.

The Episcopal Church, the US branch of the Anglican Church, has more than 2.1 million followers, making it the 10th-largest Protestant church in the United States.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I don't disagree with The Bishop in the least bit.

It IS true what he forsees.

He is precisely predicting what will happen to vast sections of Christianity, and it's already all written down how many, many will follow their flesh and will turn away from The Truth and Love. If he only knew the great irony of his own predictions (which he foolishly thinks heralds great days ahead), which are in reality sound from a biblical and apolyptic perspective.

[BSunday]

the 10 years of the devil
what's that? I don't think I have heard of that in all my years of Bible study. Sounds like somebody taking apocalyptic literature a little to literally.

[Wordsmith]

There is a strong movement within the Orthodox Church to withdraw from this organization. Our membership is a legacy of early 20th century efforts to use it as a tool for outreach. Obviously, these have failed horribly. The homosexual agenda has a vastly weaker influence on the Orthodox Church than it does on the Roman Catholic Church, which isn't on your list since they're not part of the WCC. One of the reasons for this is the healthy state of the theology of marriage as a sacrament within the Orthodox Church. There is no movement for female priests within the Orthodox Church. Also, most Orthodox priests are married.

[ChocChipCookie]

That is why I really detest the gay movement -- they want to win and then shove it at everyone else like we are supposed to support them.

You're close. They also want to have the power to punish anyone who opposes or criticizes them. Thus the popularity of establishing hate crimes, but that is only the beginning.

[RussianConservative]

As to whether women are more prone to lesbianism than men to homosexuality, I don't have an opinion on that. A lot of the homosexual men are very attractive, where all the lesbians I have known are unattractive

True enough but issue not homosexual women but bi-sexual women. In true lesbianism, one woman take role of male and other of submissive. In bi-sexual not quite so, since male is still present. From what I read it goes by psychological factor. Men walk in emotional isolation from each other. We open up only to women in lives, on regular basis. Short of great hurting moment, men not open to other men. (Thus homosexual men abnormal and normal males in constant competition to some degree with other males) women on other hand constantly sharing emotionally with other women, thus more open toward emotional/sexual relationships (especially consider, for women emotions & sex much closer linked then for men. For most men, sex can fully be emotion free).

Oh and among most mammels poligomy is rule not exception.

[Colonel_Flagg]

I understand what you're saying. :)

Just trying to build a little. Hope you don't mind. Be well.

[Aliska]

#127

What did you do with her cards or how did you handle the situation?

[Redleg Duke]

The queers are merely using the tactics perfected by the Jesuits in the 1600s. "When in the minority, beg for equality...when in the majority, demand exclusivity!"

It worked for them in the Third World.

[RussianConservative]

Also consider, especially in old days, average man's life much shorter then woman's. For example: vikings: average man died at 23 average woman 45. War tend to do that. So many more women in prime then men. Slaves also tend to do so. I've known several bi-sexual women in 3-some type relationship...most seem happy....don't know all details of course.

[Destro]

Orthodoxy would never betray the faith.

[tal hajus]

I think that every Christian church should welcome homosexuals. If the truth is being preached and taught they will either no longer remain homosexuals or they will choose to no longer remain in that church.

[Matchett-PI]

"I left the Episcopal Church a long time ago, and regret that I did. You see, if I hadn't, I would be able to leave it now."

You'd be in good company. The Calvinist Framers of the Constitution would have left long ago, too.

"Those who intellectually contributed to the Constitutional convention were the Founding Fathers. .... Back then church membership was a big deal. In other words, to be a member of a church back then, it wasn't just a matter of sitting in the pew or attending once in a while. This was a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith, adherence, and acknowledgment of the doctrines of that particular church.

Of those 55 Founding Fathers, we know what their sworn public confessions were. [excerpted] from: HERE

But don't confuse the modern-day "pop-culture" mainline Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Congregationalist churches with the ones extant in the days of the Founders. Today's mainline churches have been co-opted by the Marxist left.

Specifically, the 55 Framers (from North to South):

John Langdon, Congregationalist (Calvinist)
Nicholas Gilman, Congregationalist (Calvinist)
Elbridge Gerry, Episcoplian (Calvinist)
Rufus King, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Caleb Strong, Congregationalist (Calvinist)
Nathaniel Gorham, Congregationalist (Calvinist)
Roger Sherman, Congregationalist (Calvinist)
William Samuel Johnson, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Oliver Ellsworth, Congregationalist (Calvinist)
Alexander Hamilton, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
John Lansing, Dutch Reformed (Calvinist)
Robert Yates, Dutch Reformed (Calvinist)
William Patterson, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
William Livingston, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
Jonathan Dayton, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
David Brearly, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
William Churchill Houston, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
Benjamin Franklin, Christian in his youth, Deist in later years, then back to his Puritan background in his old age (his June 28, 1787 prayer at the Constitutional Convention was from no "Deist")
Robert Morris, Episcopalian, (Calvinist)
James Wilson, probably a Deist
Gouverneur Morris, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Thomas Mifflin, Lutheran (Calvinist-lite)
George Clymer, Quaker turned Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Thomas FitzSimmons, Roman Catholic
Jared Ingersoll, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
John Dickinson, Quaker turned Episcopalian (Calvinist)
George Read, Episcopalian, (Calvinist)
Richard Bassett, Methodist
Gunning Bedford, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
Jacob Broom, Lutheran
Luther Martin, Episcopalian, (Calvinist)
Daniel Carroll, Roman Catholic
John Francis Mercer, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
James McHenry, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
Daniel of St Thomas Jennifer, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
George Washington, Episcopalian (Calvinist; no, he was not a deist)
James Madison, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
George Mason, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Edmund Jennings Randolph, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
James Blair, Jr., Episcopalian (Calvinist)
James McClung, ?
George Wythe, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
William Richardson Davie, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
Hugh Williamson, Presbyterian, possibly later became a Deist
William Few, Methodist
William Leigh Pierce, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
William Houstoun, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
William Blount, Presbyterian (Calvinist)
Alexander Martin, Presbyterian/Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Richard Dobbs Spaight, Jr., Episcopalian (Calvinist)
John Rutledge, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, III, Episcopalian (Calvinist)
Abraham Baldwin, Congregationalist (Calvinist)

[RussianConservative]

My wife and I both hate Pokeyman....we conviniently let her forget them somewhere.... :0)

[Destro]

Just a correction--Orthodoxy did not change since it is the church of Christ from the time of the Apostles --Ecumenical councils only clarified a pre-existing dogma.

[Wordsmith]

Absolutely, every church should admit homosexuals. But, no church should put forth leaders who proclaim that a sin is not a sin.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

The National Council of Churches is more than a think tank. Research the history of the National Council of Churches. I'll include only one link that sheds a little light on this evil group.

Do a google on National Council of Churches and homosexuality and see what you get.

I'm happy if your church so far has resisted the acceptance and promotion of homosexuality but it doesn't change the basic fact that the NCC is very, very liberal.

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/Foundation/fbcncc49.htm

[RussianConservative]

true

[polemikos]

I did not agree with the pope on Iraq. He was a hypocrite on Iraq since we helped him with poland.

The Church's Just War Doctrine lays the responsibility for the decision to go to war on the shoulders of government leaders. (They'll have more information than religious leaders and the general public).

Nevertheless, that doctrine lays out strict conditions that must be met.

The pope is thus left in the position of working/arguing/cajoling all parties towards the biblical goal of peace and praying that the conditions for a just war are met.

I don't think he is ever in a position to "bless" a decision to go to war. That isn't his role.

You also have the problem of the media not, uh, "understanding" the larger context of the pope's messages, and thereby communicating it inaccurately.

See for example:

War in the Gulf. What the Pope Really Said
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/879895/posts

[smiley]

"I suspect that before too very long, other denominations will also follow and welcome openly gay and lesbian people into leadership positions. That's my prayer,"

Notice he states "leadership" positions...their agenda is set and their mission is to push the homo lifestyle in the church.....it will be a cold day in hell for me....

[Redleg Duke]

"Catholics practice birth control all the time and they should not be made to feel guilty by doing so IMO!"

I had someone else post that the Catholic Church is truth and all "good Catholics" know not to ask why, but just accept.

Isn't that what led to the first Reformation?