[MHGinTN]

Show me how you can perform the killing method without yanking the alive child down into the birth canal to beyond the connection of the umbilicus. Dissemble for someone else's manipulation ... you're efforts are transparent, especially on this thread.

[Sir Gawain]

Show me how you can perform the killing method without yanking the alive child down into the birth canal to beyond the connection of the umbilicus.

That's why I was asking. You don't have to accuse everyone of having an agenda. If there's no way to perform a PBA other than how it's stated in 1531, then that's great.

[William Terrell]

Well, that has been my question: is it possible for an abortionist to kill the baby if its body or head is not entirely exposed?

You're saying it can't be done? I'm have a hard time imagining that. Look, in the pictures of newborns I've seen, if the navel is just short of being exposed or the head is partially exposed, I can see about 30 ways to kill it just like that.

Help me out here. I want this bill to work and be effective, and I don't care to "bash" Bush's, or the republicans, efforts toward that goal. I couldn't care less about whatever the "sense of the Senate" is; it has zero meaning in the bill itself. But the definition of the procedure does have meaning and that specific definition will carry a court challenge or drop it without another word from the bill being mentioned.

So, please withdraw the fangs and retract the claws. Help me see where I'm wrong and I will bless you for it. How will this bill stop partial birth abortions?