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PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]
NewsWithViews.com ^ | May 9, 2003 | By David Brownlow

Posted on 08/02/2003 10:39:40 PM PDT by Uncle Bill

PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE

NewsWithViews.com
By David Brownlow
May 9, 2003
Source

A politician would have a hard time finding a more loyal special interest group than with those of us who oppose the legalized child killing industry. For the last thirty years of the war on the unborn, we have worked tirelessly to elect pro-life, mostly Republican, politicians.

Our loyalty was so strong that even though the Republicans failed to deliver us a single pro-life victory, we continued to send them back to Washington year after year. For thirty years, we trusted the Republicans when they told us to be patient, because they had a plan and a party platform that said abortion was wrong.

We now know that everything they told us was a complete pack of lies.

We know that because the Senate has finally passed the long awaited "Partial Birth Abortion Ban," Senate Bill S.3. Rather than being a useful tool in the fight to stop a barbaric and indefensible method of child killing, S.3 reads more like an instruction manual for abortionists.

In what can only be described as the mildest abortion restrictions that one could possibly put into words, Sec.1531 instructs the "doctor" to make sure and kill the child before "in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother". Or "in the case of breech presentation", make sure the child is killed before "any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother". (Actual text of SB S.3 in quotes)

With toothless restrictions like that, it is highly unlikely that even a single life will be saved. The only thing this will do is to make sure all the children are killed before the "entire fetal head" or the "fetal trunk past the navel" is showing. We waited thirty years for this?

Excuse me for shouting, but IF THE HEAD IS ALMOST OUT OF THE MOTHER, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO KILL THE KID? Do we hate children so much that we cannot wait 10 more seconds for the child to be born? 42,000,000 children killed since 1973 and this is the best they could come up with. What kind of people have we been putting into office?

If Senate Bill S.3 was just plain bad legislation, we could almost forgive the politicians for their incompetence. But believe it or not, this bill gets even worse. It gets a lot worse.

Not content to just write a watered down, sorry excuse for an abortion ban, the Senate goes on in Sec. 4, to let us all know "The Sense on the Senate Concerning Roe. v. Wade". I am not sure what kind of sense these people have, but we have definitely found out what we get for thirty years of loyalty. The 48 Republican Senators who voted to approve S.3, pledged that,

You need to read that again. I've read it about 20 times and it still hurts to look at it.

Please understand that it was not just a few renegade Senators who voted for this. It was 48 Republican Senators, including every one of them who ever told us they were pro-life, who put their name on a bill that says; Roe v. Wade was "appropriate." This is a clear, unambiguous reaffirmation of the illegal Supreme Court decision that started this whole mess back in 1973. If I had not read it for myself I would not believe it.

The extent of their betrayal is absolutely breath taking!

So now we know why the Republicans have gone thirty years without a single pro- life victory. These guys are not even pro-life! We have been fooling ourselves that somehow, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the years of partisan efforts were getting us closer to ending legalized abortion in America. But if the "sense" of the Senate is any indication, we have not even started the fight. We can now only hope that the House has enough sense to put S.3 out of it's misery.

A decades old policy of voting for the lesser of two evils has left us with a Republican Party that is a mere hollowed-out shell of its former self, broken beyond any hope of repair. The only way we are ever going to win this fight is by putting men and women of integrity into office who will not bow to the political pressures.

Clearly, the team we have in there now is not up to the task.


Partial- birth abortion ban hits snag over Roe v. Wade affirmation
"President Bush supports the ban, but there has been no indication if he would sign it into law if it included the Roe resolution."


S 3 ES

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 3


AN ACT

To prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS.

`CHAPTER 74--PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS

`Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

--1531'.

SEC. 4. SENSE OF THE SENATE CONCERNING ROE V. WADE.

Passed the Senate March 13, 2003.

Attest:

Secretary.

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 3

AN ACT

To prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion.

END


Bush Signs Largest Family Planning Bill In U.S. History

Covenant News
Staff
January 11, 2002

On Thursday, January 10, 2002, the White House reported President Bush signed the ominous $15.4 billion foreign appropriations bill, H.R. 2506, for fiscal-year 2002. The bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be given to other countries for abortion- family planning activities throughout the world. The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning.
[end of excerpt]
SOURCE

U.S. Quietly OKs Fetal Stem Cell Work - Bush allows funding despite federal limits on embryo use

White House killed human-cloning ban
Although President Bush has endorsed a complete ban on human cloning sponsored by senators Sam Brownback, R.-Kan., and Mary Landrieu, D.- La., White House lobbyists contacted Republican senators June 18 to ask them to vote that morning for cloture (a closing of debate to bring a legislative question to a vote) on the Senate's terrorism insurance bill (S 2600), thus preventing an up-or-down vote on a human cloning amendment that Brownback wanted to attach to the bill. His amendment would have banned the patenting of human embryos – effectively destroying any economic incentive for the experimental cloning of human beings."


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To: William Wallace
I'm still waiting on you to make good on that threat. You remember, don't you? It was in that email where you made some false claims about you-know-what. So that makes at least two documented lies from you:

#1 - the initial false claim (still funny btw, lol) and
#2 - your threat that never materialized.

Then again, maybe I'm being too hard on you. Maybe you actually believe the stuff you say. That doesn't make it any less funny though! LOL

801 posted on 08/07/2003 1:29:00 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Welcome to my bozo filter, fatboy)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Sabertooth; Mercuria
"When I point out that the ONLY PBA permitted by this bill is when the mother's life is in danger, you call it a mile wide loophole...which is it then?"

It takes 3 DAYS to perform a partial birth abortion. Obviously, someone with an emergency medical condition doesn't have three days to resolve it. The only point in doing a PBA is to deliver a dead baby.

As for loopholes, the leading third trimester abortionist, "Tiller the Killer," isn't worried about that: LINK

802 posted on 08/07/2003 1:37:30 PM PDT by Artist
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To: Artist
Only a truly lousy, vile, evil and despicible "doctor" could justify such a barbaric act. I trust tiller has the shock and awe of a eternal life in agony on judgement day.

FR seems to be able to read the fine print. It would appear that the PBA still lives and the ban has no teeth. I had such high hopes. It may be a start but I was hoping for a crushing defeat.
I must admit that I am not suprised. It would seem that our politicians are pros at bread and circuses but adept failures at everything else.
I wonder how much longer our Creator will continue to protect a country that turns its back on him and actually murders his children while still in the womb.
PBA sickens me. I was ashamed when men and women in congress and the senate actually talked about it as if it was a noble thing.
What happened to "its for the children". Surely sticking a fork in a babies head as the childs legs and arms wiggle and the child screams for the first breath of air outside the womb that will never come is not for the children.
It must be for selfish, self centered women and greedy "doctors". I find it very hard to describe a person who could actually perform such a act as a doctor.
And I thought hillary clintons husband was shameless.
803 posted on 08/07/2003 2:01:32 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Artist
"Obviously, someone with an emergency medical condition doesn't have three days to resolve it."

Which means that every single time that excuse is used to perform a PBA, the resoning will not only be questioned, but the finding challenged and most likely defeated, leading to jail time for the physician performing the procedure, as well as financial penalties via law suits, as allowed for in the bill. Some parts of this fight belong to us.

As for Tiller...there will always be people like him, butchers.

I agree with the position taken by the pro-life activist on the article, and suggest that we need to demand enforcement of this law at the State level, even if it means the enactment of further legislation at the State level requiring second or even third opinions by outside parties on the dangers to the mother's life.

It is also heartening to read that anti-abortion forces are threatening to challenge the bill.

P.S. the next logical step is to ban the procedure performed by this Tiller (rhymes with killer).

804 posted on 08/07/2003 2:05:00 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: .30Carbine
I know that we haven't agreed on other issues in the past, but I have to let you know that your posts on this subject are awesome.

On other threads we will resume our regularly scheduled disagreements.
805 posted on 08/07/2003 2:13:39 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: .30Carbine
Looks like this bill "fooled" some pretty strong people.

Final Approval Near for Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, As Pro-Abortion Leaders
Raise Alarms and Vow Fight in Court

WASHINGTON (June 6, 2003)-- The day is fast approaching when the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act will be signed into law by President Bush, following overwhelming endorsement of the bill by the U.S. House of Representatives on June 4.

The signing will be the culmination of an eight-year fight by the National Right to Life Committee and other pro-life forces.

The ban, which was twice vetoed by President Bill Clinton, is strongly supported by President Bush.

The New York Times said the latest developments were  "putting the antiabortion movement on the brink of a major victory," while Knight-Ridder Newspapers called it the  "biggest legislative victory in more than a decade" for pro-life forces.

"The House sent the message that human life is valuable and that our law cannot sanction such barbarism," said House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.).

But pro-abortion leaders denounced the legislation as an assault on Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand. They vowed to fight the law in court as soon as President Bush signs it.

Kate Michelman, president of the group that currently calls itself  "NARAL Pro-choice America," said,  "This is a broad, unconstitutional bill which sacrifices women' s health and future fertility on the altar of extreme right-wing ideology."  When the ban is signed into law, "the sleeping giant that is pro-choice America will awaken," she predicted.

Final steps soon

The Senate passed its version of the bill (S.3), sponsored by Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), on March 13 by a vote of 64-33. (See April NRL News, page 1.)

On June 4, the House took up its version (H.R. 760), sponsored by Congressman Steve Chabot (R-Ohio). The House rejected two gutting amendments, and then passed the ban by 282-139 B a two-to-one margin.

(To see the roll calls, go to the House scorecard at the NRLC website Legislative Action Center)

The Senate attached to its version a non-binding resolution to endorse Roe v. Wade (the Harkin Amendment), and pro-life forces want to see that amendment removed in an upcoming House-Senate conference committee.

After the conference committee produces a final version of the bill, it must be approved by both houses before it is sent to President Bush for his signature.

These final steps in the legislative process could take a number of weeks.

Following the House vote, the White House released a statement in which the President said, "I applaud the House for passing legislation banning partial-birth abortions. Passage of this important legislation is a shared priority that will help build a culture of life in America. I urge Congress to quickly resolve any differences and send me the final bill as soon as possible so that I can sign it into law."

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tx.) commented,  "After eight long years, Congress will finally send the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban to a president willing to sign it. When he does, abortion will still be with us. The debate over the rights of the unborn will continue, and new battles will be fought."

House Debate

During the House debate, opponents of the ban argued that the bill violates two U.S. Supreme Court rulings -- Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that legalized abortion on demand, and Stenberg v. Carhart, a 2000 decision in which five justices held that Roe v. Wade covers even partial-birth abortions.

According to press reports, several pro-abortion groups are planning legal challenges as soon as the bill is signed, including the Planned Parenthood Federation of America and the ACLU.

"Two-thirds of Congress, 70 percent of the public, and four Supreme Court justices say there is no constitutional right to deliver most of a living baby and then puncture her head with scissors," said NRLC Legislative Director Douglas Johnson.  "But five Supreme Court justices have said that the right of abortionists to perform partial-birth abortions is guaranteed by Roe v. Wade. We hope that by the time this ban reaches the Supreme Court, at least five justices will be willing to reject such extremism."

The January 2003 Gallup poll found that 70% favored and 25% opposed  "a law that would make it illegal to perform a specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of pregnancy known as 'partial birth abortion,' except in cases necessary to save the life of the mother."

The bill legally defines a partial-birth abortion as any abortion in which the baby is delivered alive until  "in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother," or if the baby is delivered head first,  "the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother," before being killed. The bill would allow the method if it was ever necessary to save a mother's life.

House Rejects Phony Ban

The House overwhelmingly rejected, 133-287, a competing bill ("substitute amendment" ) offered by the chair of the Congressional Pro-Choice Caucus, Rep. Jim Greenwood (R-Pa.), and Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). While promoted as a  "ban" on  "late-term" abortions, Hoyer and Greenwood conceded that their measure would allow abortions even during the final three months of pregnancy for  "mental health."

NRLC' s Johnson commented,  "The Greenwood-Hoyer proposal was a complete sham. This phony ban was offered by pro-abortion leaders in the House to provide political cover for colleagues who wanted to maintain favor with pro-abortion groups by voting against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, but also hoodwink their constituents by casting a vote that they could later misrepresent as restricting so-called 'late-term' abortions."

Following rejection of the Greenwood-Hoyer phony ban, Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wi.) offered a motion to add an exception to the partial-birth ban for  "health" -- a term which has been defined by the Supreme Court to include even avoiding emotional distress. The Baldwin motion failed 165 to 256.

The tally on final passage of H.R. 760 was 282-139, one vote more than a two-thirds margin (although only a simple majority was necessary). The bill was supported by 220 Republicans and 62 Democrats. It was opposed by five Republicans, 133 Democrats, and one independent.

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806 posted on 08/07/2003 2:18:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: winodog
"FR seems to be able to read the fine print."

I guess National Right To Life must have been fooled by this "toothless" bill as well.

807 posted on 08/07/2003 2:19:56 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: Sir Gawain
You know I know, and you know how I know.
808 posted on 08/07/2003 2:21:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: MHGinTN
[BTW, Mercuria is still pro-life, without a doubt. What she says about me or anyone else at FR is actually irrelevant; she's wrestling with political 'spectres', that's all.]

I don't question her views/feeling of pro-life .. I am sure she is. I just don't agree with the all or nothing

809 posted on 08/07/2003 2:27:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (I have nothing to add .. just want to see if I make the cut and paste ;0))
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Yes. Sorta reminds me of the NRA.
810 posted on 08/07/2003 2:29:16 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I know the earth is round, Speedy, but I don't go around thinking it's a secret. LOL

I wanna see my "thousand screen names" you claim I have. That'll be fun.

Aw geez. Looks like my bozo filter broke.

811 posted on 08/07/2003 2:29:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sabertooth
It isn't that I don't agree with open debate. I love open debate! But the gang wars are not about open debate, are they?

I would call it childish except that because it has the power to dissaude others from participating it is too dangerous to compare to the behavior of children.

The personal attacks back and forth between FReepers are disheartening. I know Jim can't play Daddy to everyone; I don't expect him to. Perhaps he was hoping, as I would, that banning the worst would encourage the lesser of the disruptors - and personal attacks are disrupting - to shape up. I am thoroughly disgusted with the deliberate attempt by you to discredit this PBA ban - and to insinuate through your supposed 'questioning' that Bush and our Republican leadership in House and Senate are deliberate liars. It's Clintonian - a liar accusing an innocent of lying! The influence of FR has always been in seeking the truth, not the spreading of lies. Here in FReeperdom we tear down the lies!

I myself have some disagreements with President Bush's actions, and have posted such, but when he has done well I have praised him gladly. This PBA ban is central to the Bush Agenda - it was a campaign promise and it will be fulfilled in his first term. It is a huge victory for the President, for the pro-life movement, and for the unborn. Why, then, can't you praise it?

You have always maintained that you are pro life. That makes all of this appear even more hateful: you are willing to sacrifice this much-needed pro-life legislation for the sake of scandalizing President Bush and the Republican party, or sabotaging FR, or both. Unbelievable.

Sabertooth, you are engaging in slander, bad enough in it's own right, but you're doing it by subterfuge, which is even more evil.

812 posted on 08/07/2003 2:48:32 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Sir Gawain
Your Bozo filter broke?

Maybe some evil moderator can help you fix it.

Or is it going to require someone with an engineering degree to get it done?

I know a couple of graduates from Texas A&M that may be able to help.
813 posted on 08/07/2003 3:04:13 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's all you got? I'm truly unimpressed. Where's my "thousand screen names"? Or was that another lie Babs?
814 posted on 08/07/2003 3:12:45 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTW, looks like your alternate ID that "wasn't really you" has been purged from the database. Wonder why that is, Babs?
815 posted on 08/07/2003 3:18:58 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Sir Gawain
Careful. It's probably safer to flame him with your DarthDrake ID.
816 posted on 08/07/2003 3:30:52 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (You will bow down before me)
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To: Common Tator
Thanks for your response #786. You make a lot of sense and I enjoy reading your viewpoints. I try to catch your posts as often as I can and have learned and lot from you. FR is a great place to learn things; it is possible by reading and sifting through the flames and ashes, to find gems of truth and wisdom like no other place.

While you are not always right (Schwarzenegger DID run LOL ), your viewpoints and experiences are invaluable to those of us who enjoy the pursuit of hidden gems.

I agree with your assessment of the 1/3 in the center. They are the ones that need to be targeted when formulating arguments and phraseology.

Thanks again for your response.

817 posted on 08/07/2003 3:47:28 PM PDT by DeSoto
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To: Sir Gawain
No, I have more, and so do you...but that's the first.

The question is, are you going to lack the balls to own up to it?
818 posted on 08/07/2003 3:51:51 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Who was that evil moderator?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
and so do you

Put up or shut up.

819 posted on 08/07/2003 3:53:24 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Sir Gawain
No proof, just innuendoes, and no opinions of your own either.
820 posted on 08/07/2003 3:54:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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