PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

NewsWithViews.com ^ | May 9, 2003 | By David Brownlow

[Long Cut]

Oh, thanks, my bad. Yeah, we've been on cloud ten hereabouts.

[StopGlobalWhining]

I'm confused. I thought this bill was still in committee.

In what can only be described as the mildest abortion restrictions that one could possibly put into words, Sec.1531 instructs the "doctor" to make sure and kill the child before "in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother". Or "in the case of breech presentation", make sure the child is killed before "any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother". (Actual text of SB S.3 in quotes)

No way GWB signed a bill with this in it.

[George W. Bush]

It appears that way

Yeah, give the abortionists a raise. How they'll howl.

You'd think the two parties could at least put up a good pillow fight.

[ShandaLear]

No kidding. I guess we should all write President Bush and ask him to veto this bill.

[Jim Robinson]

It is. And that's not the text. What you copied and pasted is pure propaganda.

[Fred Mertz]

Does this bill permit partial birth abortions (in extreme cases) or not? I think it does, therefore it's a non-starter.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"You're right. I assumed that you're a republican."

No, you assumed that everyone who supported this was a Republican, you don't know that, and you weren't talking about me.

"Yes, I'd assumed the reaction to the "betrayal" position being a rapid support of Mr. Bush indicated you and others were concerned about the political aspects of the bill rather than whether it would work as advertised."

You again assumed that everyone who supports the bill, or doesn’t see the bill as a “betrayal” also supports Bush…you don’t know that either, so I was right about you making broadline assumptions and generalizations.

Now, I did notice your shift, you’re talking about late term abortions, this was never discussed when this bill was going through the legislative process, and the only thing that Bush ever spoke about was banning partial birth abortions…so what you are doing is giving everyone crap because this bill does not address late term abortions…it was never intended to, and had you been paying any attention at all the entire time this was being discussed in Congress, you would have not been “surprised” by the posting of a three month old article from a presidential candidate that needs to strip Bush of some votes in order to have any kind of relevancy.

That’s what kills me, you talk about me and others standing in support of this bill as a political ploy , yet, the ones who are obviously politicizing this are those condemning a bill they never read until it was passed. Where the hell was all the activism before this point?

You, Uncle Bill, Merc, and the bunch over at LostPriviledges.com don’t give a rat’s ass about the aborted babies, this is politics to you all.

[Fred Mertz]

This bill permits partial birth abortions, does it not?

[windchime]

"....yeah, sure, she values every single life and every single person....as long as they don't inconvenience her and just as long as they can be used to achieve her political goals......"

You've told the whole truth. She just leaves that inconvenience and use part out.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Why don't you read it Fred instead of having someone do the thinking for you, there's a novel idea.

[Luis Gonzalez]

So Fred, you believe that the mother's life should be sacrificed for the chance at a birth?

You think that once women are pregnant they become non-persons and so secondary to the fetus growing inside them that they do not deserve a chance at living through a dangerous pregnancy?

Why don't you get pregnant Fed and let the rest of us decide whether you live or die.

[Fred Mertz]

This bill permits partial birth abortions courtesy of the Pubbies and their Dim friends.

How can they get away with advertising this as the PBA ban, huh Darkdrake?

[Fred Mertz]

All pregnancies carry a risk, Darkdrake.

I see what this bill is. Too bad you don't. Would you like some wool over your eyes?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Those who wish to use it politically are calling it a “betrayal”; obviously, there was not much of a "betrayal" when it was going through the legislative process, otherwise some of these "champions of truth" would have been squawking long before this.

The timing of the post is also significant, this article was first posted on that site back in May, where were all these “conservatives” before now?

If these guys are representative of the pro-life movement, it could very well be that the GOP is the only chance the unborn have left in this world...these "pro-lifers" paid absolutely no attention to this bill as it worked its way through Congress.

What the hell were they doing?

Probably bitching about JimRob over at LostPriviledges.com, now, they've found something new to bitch about.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Answer the questions Fred, I am sure some of our lady FReepers wish to see your answer.

Once they become pregnant, is the mother's life worth less than the fetus'?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself."

Ladies, it seems that our friend Fred objects to this passage in the Partial Birth Abortion ban passed by Congress. I have questioned him on whether he believes that once a woman becomes pregnant, her life becomes secondary to the life of the fetus to the point where a PBA should not be performed, even if going through the pregnancy means a heightened risk of death to the mother.

I am interested in his answer. Are you all?

[honeygrl]

"Once they become pregnant, is the mother's life worth less than the fetus'? "

Yes, inquiring minds want to know.

[Fred Mertz]

You answered my question quite well, Darkdrake.

The PBA ban permits partial birth abortions.

Just for you to make your case give me one example of the need to kill a baby this way.

I'm waiting....

[Mo1]

The only way we are ever going to put an end to this hideous practice is to insure that a Conservative Supreme Court becomes a reality and remains in place for decades to come.

A Conservative Supreme Court could correct Roe v. Wade .. but they will still complain because the issue will go back to the states .. a some states will out law it and some won't

[justshe]

I await your response, Fred.