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To: adam_az
"Pope Pius IX was the last pontiff to advocate putting European Jews into ghettoes. He likened them to dogs.

Even CNN notes that this claim is simply an allegation that's bandied about. Pope Pius IX was hardly an advocate of putting Jews in ghettos since he was the one who abolished ghettos in Rome.

"It seems clear from the historical record, in fact, that Pius had no hatred of Jews. Upon his election in 1846, he was hailed by Jews as their best friend in Italy. In 1847, Mose Israel Kazzan, Chief Rabbi at the Israeli University in Rome, dedicated a psalm and prayer to the "glorious and immortal" Pope....
"On the night of April 17-18, 1848, Pius IX ordered that the doors of the Jewish ghetto be knocked down. He abrogated the undignified and humilating tasks the Jews were forced to carry out. He declared that "they were not foreigners," and had their streets patrolled to pretect them from a popular uprising that had broken out aginst the ghetto's emancipation."
http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/piusix.html

As for your quote from Pope John XXII,
"I was recently told that according to Dr. Eugene Fisher, expert on Jewish-Christian relations with the U.S. Catholic Bishops' Conference, this prayer is not authentic. ... Please, add this disclaimer if you want to cite the prayer. From the Jerusalem Post, Internet Edition"
http://ecumene.org/SHOAH/shalom.htm

Here's another clue. Vatican II overturned no doctrine. Doctrine is synonymous with catechesis. The Catholic catechism has never taught that the Jewish people are responsible for Christ's death.

174 posted on 07/31/2003 5:50:00 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Varda
Are you really defending Pius IX???

The pope who ordered the kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara, a Jewish child who had been secretly baptised by a catholic servant who worked for the childs parents?

Not quite a "pro-family" action...


The "dog" quote is real BTW, it's from Pasquale De Francisis(1872), Discorsi del sommo pontefice Pio II, vol.1 at least according to an article by Steve Hirsch at http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/jan_feb01/hirsch.html in which he quotes David Kertzer's "The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism"

Here is a review with the complete quote also: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/92/story_9284_1.html

another
http://brownalumnimagazine.com/storydetail.cfm?ID=378

http://www.forward.com/issues/2001/01.10.26/books7.html

Pius IX did end the Ghetto - but then reinstated it. It was finally ended by Italian nationalists in or around 1870.

Your Geocities article is countered by lots of primary source material in the bibliography of the above book.

CNN gets it wrong, as usual.



187 posted on 07/31/2003 8:45:32 AM PDT by adam_az
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