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Rush Compares Bush to Nixon [actual title: Bush '04 Strategy More Nixon Than Reagan]
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | July 30, 2003 | Derek Taylor

Posted on 07/30/2003 5:18:48 PM PDT by derekftaylor

Edited on 07/30/2003 5:57:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Actual text of Rush's article:


1:15 PM ET BEGIN TRANSCRIPT:

Consider this story by Steven E. Schier in The Hill magazine, "President Bush - A Radical With a Plan." Quote: "President Bush has had a rough summer, beset by a troublesome military occupation of Iraq, growing budget deficits and media challenges to his credibility." Get that: "media challenges." That's horse manure. These are not just "media." They may as well be elected Democrats. That's who's challenging Bush. They're one and the same.

More: "Lately, the White House has fought back hard in response to its Democratic critics. Why such an aggressive approach? The Bush presidency has a huge project at its heart, one now suddenly threatened by adverse events. The White House forcefulness towards its critics reflects the unusually large scale of Bush’s presidential ambitions. Bush’s goal is a big one — to make the Republicans the natural, default party of government." Where have we heard this before? I guess this is this guy's version of The BIG Theory. "Karl Rove, the president’s chief political strategist, frequently mentions durable GOP dominance as a major goal of the Bush presidency. Bush seeks lasting conservative rule over American politics, completion of the rightward revolution begun by Ronald Reagan.

"The Bush administration is working steadily to create conservative dominance over political institutions, party and interest group alignments and the terms of policy debate. In the terms of Yale University political scientist Stephen Skowronek, Bush is an 'orthodox innovator' trying to adapt the Reagan approach for the 21st century. As James K. Polk restored the Democratic Party in the 1840s and Teddy Roosevelt reinvigorated the GOP at the turn of the 20th century, so Bush hopes to create a new Republican political coalition than can dominate national politics long after he leaves the White House.

"The risk for such orthodox-innovators, according to Skowronek, is that their innovations split their coalitions and end their party’s dominance, as Roosevelt’s progressivism divided the GOP in 1912. So far, Bush has avoided that fate. Instead, his strategy, described to me by a White House official as 'base-plus,' seems to be working. The GOP base loves Bush, though his hold on centrist voters remains uncertain. If his proposed tax cuts stimulate the economy in time for the 2004 election and international events do not turn against the White House, Bush’s long-term strategy will have an improved chance of succeeding.

"The worst news of the summer for Bush concerns the budget deficit, now likely to exceed $450 billion next year. His GOP base may well fracture in the long-term over the problem of large and persistent budget deficits resulting from his tax cuts."
The base concerned about the deficit? Dream on! The base isn't going to care a rat's hair about it. "Deficits pose three political difficulties for his project. First, large deficits over time will produce increasing disunity among Congressional Republicans. Complaints about this year’s deficit are already issuing from GOP ranks on Capitol Hill. Second, deficits hand Democrats a national issue with which to put the GOP on the defensive.

"Bush’s own father — an orthodox innovator who failed — found both Bill Clinton and Ross Perot effectively hammering him on the issue in 1992. Third, high deficits endanger other central policy goals of the administration, such as an increased defense buildup and Social Security privatization. The Bush administration promises tight spending control to reduce deficits. Its first two years in office do not seem to guarantee future discipline. Federal spending in 2001 and 2002 grew more than it did during Clinton’s first four years in office.

"And if such discipline is attempted, how will swing voters react to cuts in popular programs? Building a dominant conservative coalition for the long term is a task beset with practical political difficulties. This is an administration bent on huge changes in American politics and public policy and willing to take big risks to achieve them. Right now, they’re fighting hard to retain the political initiative behind this big project, facing some of the biggest political challenges of Bush’s presidency. Whether or not they succeed, the Bush presidency promises to enter the history books as one of the most politically ambitious of all time – because of its efforts to reshape the entire political landscape."



The author here, Steven Schier is Congdon Professor of Political Science at Carleton College in Northfield, Minnesota. He's editor of a forthcoming book on the early presidency of George W. Bush. In essence, this is his version of the BIG Theory in which the president and his advisors are basically counting on the fact that the base will be their support no matter what, and they're going out there advancing a domestic agenda designed to attract Democrat liberal moderate centrist pinko voters to expand to the Republican base, make it so big that there's no longer a viable Democratic Party. So let me try to deal with this the most delicate way that I can.

I have pointed out every fact raised in this piece to one degree or another, over the course of the past three or four months, every fact raised in this piece. The problem with this piece is its conclusion, I think, which I just shared with you. This base plus approach is nothing new. Everybody tries this. Reagan reached out to the blue-collar and religious Democrats back in the '80s. I mean, that's where the phrase "Reagan Democrats" comes from. And as I've said repeatedly, he did so without stiffing his base time and time again. Back in the '80s, nobody who voted for Reagan was upset with what he was doing on the domestic agenda. I'll telling you, folks, nobody was. Yet the Reagan Democrats loved this guy.

The electoral strategic model that is being followed by the Bush operatives is not Reaganesque. Here comes the biggie...it's Nixonesque. Wait a minute, folks. Just hang on. I don't say that with any intent to diminish either Nixon or Bush. This is an analytical fact. Remember, just as Reagan won two landslides, Nixon won one as well - a huge one in 1972. Now, let's look at this. Richard Nixon, like Bush, embraced, I think, too much of the left's domestic agenda in an effort to attract support beyond his own base. Look at what Nixon did. He created the Environmental Protection Agency, he created OSHA, he created revenue sharing - which is the kind now touted by Hillary Clinton for the so-called homeland security purposes.

Nixon was the first president to put real teeth in the affirmative action laws, in case you're too young to know or have forgotten. It was Nixon who imposed wage and price controls when unemployment was at 3%, and Nixon, Nixon relied on the weakness and the public aversion of his opponent, George McGovern, to win his landslide. You'd be hard-pressed to argue that it was any kind of political revolution from a philosophical governing viewpoint. I mean, Nixon made a beeline for the things that McGovern voters liked on the domestic side. McGovern was a pure anti-war candidate, anti-Vietnam. I know some of you are going to be scratching your heads or worse, but it's a mistake to say that what Bush is doing is Reaganesque. There are far more similarities to Nixon.

Nixon would have signed a campaign finance reform bill. Reagan wouldn't have. Nixon would have signed any major expansion of Medicare. Reagan would have vetoed that before it got to the White House. Nixon tried to blur some of the principle distinctions between conservatism and liberalism, but Reagan never blurred the difference. He always referred to limited government and repeatedly spoke of it. He challenged liberal thought and policy on virtually every front. If there's a model that's being adopted - and I think the Bushes are being somewhat original and unique here with what Rove is doing, at least in how they're executing it - it's more Nixonian. Bush told the Urban League "[W]e need active government." Those words never would have crossed Reagan's lips. They would have crossed the lips of Nixon easily. When I heard that line I thought, "Who wrote this speech? Bill Kristol?" So we're looking at similarities, but not to Reagan.

In addition here to establishing, I think, very conclusively and almost inarguably that the Bush pattern here of "base plus," or the new theory that Bush more closely replicates what Nixon did certainly more than what Reagan did, let's deal more with foreign policy and national security, shall we? The comparison to Reagan and the Reagan Revolution does work. It's one area where I will agree with Schier's piece.

Both Bush and Reagan rejected the common wisdom and they've set their undiverted sites on destroying the enemy. In Bush's case, terrorism and Al-Qaeda. In Reagan's view, the evil empire. Reagan toppled the Soviet Union by rejecting containment and appeasement. Bush has terrorists all over the world on the run by doing the exact same thing. Both Reagan and Bush have been denounced by the mainstream media - and even by members of their own party. That's because Reagan was, and because Bush is, a visionary when it comes to the national security of his country. That's the similarity. If you want the similarity between Bush and Reagan, look at foreign policy. If you want the similarity between Bush and somebody else on the domestic side, regardless of what you think of it, you will find a far closer alignment with Richard Nixon in his 1972 campaign and its governance after his landslide victory in 1972....

Furthermore, what is the Nixon legacy? "Great foreign policy president," right? It certainly is. He opened the door to China and all that sort of stuff. What do you think Bush is angling for here? He's got the base plus, the BIG Theory. But the things that Bush is doing that will end up in history books are indeed Nixonian: foreign policy and wiping out of the terrorism.

(1:40 PM EST END TRANSCRIPT)

(1:57 PM EST BEGIN TRANSCRIPT)

Mr. Snerdley desperately tried to make the case that Bush is more like Reagan on the BIG Theory than Nixon, but you can't make that case - other than tax cuts. That's really the closest you can get. A final example is that, during Wednesday's show, President Bush made remarks at the White House celebrating the 38th anniversary of Medicare. Nixon would have done that; I don't know that Reagan did, although he might have been forced to. If Reagan did do it, he didn't want to.

2:00 PM EST END FINAL TRANSCRIPT


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; nixon; reagan; rushlimbaugh
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To: _Jim
You're pathetic. You listen and relisten to old Rush tapes ? ROTFLMSO

It was early days of FR ( you remember them, don't you ? Oh, silly me, I'm such a goose, of course you don't , what with your biased, selective memory problems ), when Rush talked about lurking here. His later animous, against FREEPERS, came later and I can almost, word for word, tell you exactly what was on those threads, and what he said on his show. I doubt that you can, feeble as your memory and cognative abilities are. ;^)

161 posted on 07/30/2003 9:50:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Excellent rant!
162 posted on 07/30/2003 9:50:04 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I know this is off topic, but does Nethercutt have a chance of winning against Murry? I know the western part of Wa. abounds with lib/socialists.
163 posted on 07/30/2003 9:50:16 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Pelham
My most humble thanks . :-)
164 posted on 07/30/2003 9:51:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: _Jim
Nope ... you're seeing the EGGS palstered all over YOUR face and blinkering your eyes, dear.
165 posted on 07/30/2003 9:52:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I'm far too intelligent to marry a clod AND I don't fight with my husband; unlike _Jim, my husband is intelligent.:-)
166 posted on 07/30/2003 9:53:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ambrose
What you said.
167 posted on 07/30/2003 9:53:44 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: woodyinscc
We had a long thread on that earlier today...I am of the opinion that Nethercutt is both a great guy and a great candidate. But Washington, specifically the massive population center of Puget Sound, which is easily as far left as San Francisco, is impossible for a good candidate to overcome, especially one from eastern Washington.

There simply is no way for him to appeal to King County -- that's Jim McDermott country -- and you cannot win statewide without at least breaking even in King County (it's never happened in post-WWII elections). It's almost mathematically impossible to win without winning King County.

So, alas, sad as it is, I really don't think Nethercutt can beat Murray. I'm not sure anyone in the state GOP could, because Nethercutt is a great guy and fantastic candidate.

168 posted on 07/30/2003 9:59:21 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: nopardons
Hmmmm...strange...after you called him "pathetic" I was almost certain you were husband and wife.

Alas, you see amazing things on FR!

169 posted on 07/30/2003 10:00:52 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I'd NEVER call my husband " pathetic ", in private, let alone in public; nor would I marry someone who is " pathetic " and a mysogenist to boot.
170 posted on 07/30/2003 10:09:50 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Please do not take me too seriously...

No one does.

171 posted on 07/30/2003 10:12:49 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: _Jim
You certainly know how to turn on the ladies. I have read the entire thread but I must have missed what got nopardons started. I did notice that you questioned her memory about the prominence of toe fungus in Rush's broadcasts during a three day period. Personally, if you are big enough fan of his to tape most of his shows I would trust your memory. I had to strain to remember any mention of toe fungus but I think I now do. As I recall, not very reliably, that he was commenting on something, e-mail, news item, whatever, and said he was not aware it was as large a problem as someone had made it out to be. If he mentioned it over a three day period it was probably a humorous reference to the importance of toe fungus to other news items. It certainly did not irritate me.

As for Rush viewing FR, I doubt that he does but I imagine he has staff that does. Most talk show hosts do. They would be fools not to. This is a terrific repository of ideas and information and a great clipping service.

Once when Rush was belittling FR because of what some on here said about him I wrote and posted an open letter to Rush. I said that we were plagued by seminar posters the same as he was by seminar callers and that most Freepers were Rush fans. Someone by the screen name M2 assured me that they were close to Rush and that they would guarantee that he saw it. M2 later misunderstood some posts I made concerning the national debt and I haven't seen that name again.
172 posted on 07/30/2003 10:22:20 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I was afraid you would say that, it's a shame. Murry has no more business being a Senator then a rodeo clown(no disrespect)
173 posted on 07/30/2003 10:39:20 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: nopardons
I take it that you knew him socially when he was in New York. Seems to me I have seen you write very insightful posts like this in the past. Always interesting to contrast the public image with the real character.
174 posted on 07/30/2003 10:47:12 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Pelham
:-)
175 posted on 07/30/2003 10:55:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Nothing personal, Ghost. You are not a crook.
176 posted on 07/31/2003 4:27:55 AM PDT by speedy
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To: woodyinscc
re #88.
I held my nose when I voted for him the first time, or did you miss me saying that?
If you want to reflect a moment or two, you might recall that many people did the same, and quite a few didnt even bother to vote.
Believe it or not, the "silent majority" is grumbling rather loudly about a few issues rightly in the realm of presidential and federal jurisdiction that both political parties try to ignore, or flat out attempt to defy the will of the people.
I used to identify myself as Republican, but I now consider myself an Independant.There was much in the Republican party that I supported, and many things that I was neutral about, but went along with, because they tended to be conservative, which is how I lean.
I am not a political partisan junkie.
Believe it or not, most voters are not as partisan as the rabid partisans think we should be.
178 posted on 07/31/2003 5:06:48 PM PDT by sarasmom (Hey France...tick tick to.. (I am the new oracle..See Afghanistan and Iraq in my resume))
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To: Southack
And Reagan was a great President.



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Agreed.

Where we disagree is your suggestion that Bush may be greater than Reagan.

I don't believe Bush is worthy to tie Reagan's shoes, personally.
179 posted on 07/31/2003 6:50:47 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: iamfarouk
Contraire, contraire. Anyone who listens to Limbaugh knows he does not debate. He can't. That's why he came up w/ the canard about no guests on his show. He can't; he would lose.

Did I say "Limbaugh"? No, I said conservatives can debate among themselves. Democrats issue edicts amongst themselves as was recently witnessed at the NAACP Florida meeting.

Limbaugh has never said his show was a debate show. He regularly explains why he doesn't have guest. He decided on doing a show about him discussing what he wants to talk about. And he's free to do that in our society.

And for you to proclaim anyone that listens to Rush is a sycophant and not serious people shows more about your ignorance and intolerance for the views of others.

And to then proclaim, with eyes rolling I'm sure, that the content you heard (you hate the man but admit you listen, who's the sycophant now?) wasn't "cutting edge" shows more intolerance to the idea of a free market program. Three words: Change The Channel.

I'm a very serious person and I love listening to Limbaugh and Hannity and our local talk show host and I take a lot of what they say and do seriously.

It's too bad you aren't capable of absorbing entertainment and information that doesn't agree with your preconceived dogma to the point you lash out and judge others.

180 posted on 07/31/2003 9:22:01 PM PDT by Fledermaus (DimbulbRats have a mental disease - Arrested Brain Development.)
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