GOP Senators Blame Nature for Climate Change

Environmental News Service ^ | 29 July 2003 | J.R. Pegg

[demlosers]

The study is "fundamentally unsound," testified Michael Mann, University of Virginia environmental sciences professor and a lead author of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Assessment Report.

You need to you give back your degree professor. The crap you guys pass of as truth is logically unsound.

[demlosers]

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arrggg!

[Ditto]

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[Frank_2001]

"Mann said today that new evdence indicates these levels have not been seen for some 10 million to 20 million years, since the time of the dinosaurs"
Professor, the dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago, you twit!!!
The scientifically illiterate and just plain jerks (RATS;) love to lap this slop up...

[LiteKeeper]

SPOTREP

[ex-Texan]

Global warming is real but mankind probably is not responsible for it even though we pollute the plant. The primary cause of cyclic global warming and cooling is the Sun !. It is a scientific fact that the earth warms and cools in predictable cycles. We are on the edge of a global cooling cycle right now. Severe cooling will be more disruptive to civilization than global warming.

[BigBobber]

"It is extremely misleading, however, when scientists cite the role of water vapor as a greenhouse gas," Mann explained. "The concentration of water vapor in the atmosphere can not be controlled by us directly."

Uh huh. Right Professor. We should ignore water vapor as a greenhouse gas becasue we don't "control it". Don't these guys get embarrassed saying this stuff in public?

"It seems to be a fundamental concept," Allard said. "From my practical experience it seems to me there is warming effect from pavement. When I walk out on pavement with my bare feet they get burned. If I walk on grass they feel cooler."

Politician think. What they personally experience in Warshington D.C. can be extrapolated to the entire world.

Perhaps Allard should look at a globe some time and see how much of the earth is covered by water (which would make his feet feel "cool"), and how much is covered by pavement.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.

[1FreeAmerican]

Better yet- take him out to Death Vally- high noon in mid summer and see how far he can walk with no shoe's!!

[MrsEmmaPeel]

The primary cause of cyclic global warming and cooling is the Sun !

Yes, Yes, 1000 times YES!!!!

I have NEVER met an astronomer who believes in Global Warming. Just an itty-bitty change in the sun's output can really ruin your day/month/year/century here.

Its the sun, people. The SUN.

[gaelwolf]

Let's see...ah, yes...slightly biased source...Environment News Service...

The Deep Green Machine is becoming a bit more hysterical...they are being caught with their trousers around their ankles by the common sense crowd, and they hate it...they just HATE IT!!!

Professor Mann has a vested interest in making sure the world believes humans are responsible for all global warming. The non-accountable power he holds as a key member of the IPCC depends on the world believing and hanging on his every pronouncement from On High. His stature depends on the historically ignorant masses who are not even remotely aware that the Norse people who once lived sustainable lives in Labrador couldn't do it today...because Labrador is still a lot colder than it was when they had communities there.

A week or so ago there was a program about climate change on the Discovery Science Channel. Guess what? The scientists on that program were pointing the primary finger of blame toward the sun, with human activity holding a primarily localized minority role.

There are quality scientists on both sides of the argument...and there are some agenda-driven, less than ethical ones on both sides, too. As near as I can tell, we're somewhere about 50-50 in the science world on the whole question of climate change. The computer models on long and short range climate change are all over the map, ant the results they produce are often cherry-picked to support one claim or another.

The question with the greatest degree of reality in all of this is whether we are going to play King Canute and try to prevent the temperature from perhaps rising on average this century, or whether we are going to sink a portion of those resources into adpating to the change that's happening whether we like it or not. Liberal and environmental activist philosophies prefer the former...because that way you get to establish greater control over entire populations. Conservative and environmental stewardship thought tends toward the idea of adapting to the changes.

Humanity has been successful as a species through its incredible adaptability. Strip away the opportunity to employ that adaptability, and what chance does humanity have in the long run?

[Bubba_Leroy]

The Sun also explains global warming that has been discovered to be taking place on Pluto. Unless the liberals want to blame that on evil American industrial production too.

[Steely Glint]

"Some media reports, in particular by Cox News Service, have also found the Soon and Baliunas research was underwritten by the American Petroleum Institution..."

Want to guess what got left out here? What the media somehow seems to have forgotten to mention was that the study was funded by NASA, the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, AND the American Petroleum Institute (see http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0310.html if you have any questions). Of course, that information is readily available in the press release...so why isn't it mentioned in so many of the articles about the study?

Easy answer: it's really hard to be dismissive of someone's well-researched and well-documented work that gets squarely in the way of your agenda if you have to mention the inconvenient fact that NASA, the USAF, and NOAA were all funding them.

Soon and Baliunas have their facts straight and other studies are already supporting their work. Watch for the Left to try to do ANYTHING to discredit/dismiss their work because this study will utterly derail all of their Kyoto dreams.

"Global warming" is nothing but a myth, and it's one made up by the Left to further their bankrupt agenda. Spread the word.

[King Prout]

how can anyone argue about "global warming" without looking at Mars and Titan?

[King Prout]

I take it that you, also, have seen the 30-year mean-temp graphs for Mars and Titan.

[Publius6961]

The study is "fundamentally unsound," testified Michael Mann, University of Virginia environmental sciences professor and a lead author of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Assessment Report.

I would love to know this clown's standing in the scientific community.
Of the following, however, there is no doubt; commenting on unwarranted conclusions made from ambiguous data:

In the early 1990s Lindzen was asked to contribute to the IPCC's 1995 report. At the time, he held (and still does) that untangling human influences from the natural variation of the global climate is next to impossible. When the report's summary came out, he was dismayed to read its conclusion: "The balance of evidence suggests that there is a discernible human influence on global climate." "That struck me as bizarre," he says. "Because without saying how much the effect was, the statement had no meaning. If it was discernible and very small, for instance, it would be no problem." Environmentalist Bill McKibbon referred to this phrase in an article in The Atlantic in May 1998: "The panel's 2,000 scientists, from every corner of the globe, summed up their findings in this dry but historic bit of understatement." In an angry letter, Lindzen wrote that the full report "takes great pains to point out that the statement has no implications for the magnitude of the effect, is dependent on the [dubious] assumption that natural variability obtained from [computer] models is the same as that in nature, and, even with these caveats, is largely a subjective matter."

[waRNmother.armyboots]

I'm still waiting for the "ice age" these same scientists predicted back in the 70s.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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