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The "Gun Culture"? No... It's the CRIME CULTURE, stupid!
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Posted on 07/28/2003 9:03:46 AM PDT by King Prout

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To: KantianBurke
Is it any good?
21 posted on 07/28/2003 9:23:34 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Joe Brower
Whoops. Please strike the word "while" from the quote in my first paragraph.

Back to work now, so I can pay the tax money that the leftists need to destroy our society.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

22 posted on 07/28/2003 9:23:46 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all." - J. Hornberger)
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To: Joe Brower
"Liberals are people who kill babies while and baby killers"

Eh?

23 posted on 07/28/2003 9:25:03 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Joe Brower
same here.
24 posted on 07/28/2003 9:25:42 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: King Prout
"rights for me, not for thee"

Sadly, you are absolutely correct.

25 posted on 07/28/2003 9:26:48 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: King Prout
I have a problem with black people owning guns: The law abiding ones don't have enough of them to protect themselves.
26 posted on 07/28/2003 9:32:29 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: King Prout
"people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit"

What you said!

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

27 posted on 07/28/2003 9:35:01 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." - Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Badray
Gunman would kick batman's a$$.
29 posted on 07/28/2003 10:26:08 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: Puppage
2) Of all the violent crime......how much is propagated by PERMIT HOLDERS?

Not many at all. Here's the stats from Texas:

In 2001 there were 180 convictions of CHL holders from a total of 35,070 criminal covictions. That's 0.51064%. That's right; about 1/2 percent. For 157 convicted murderers, 1 was a CHL holder. For AGGRAVATED ASSAULT ther were 17 out of 2,259. For ASSAULT there were 54 out of 17,309 convictions. The only crime CHL holders were convicted of that was 100% was 25 convictions of UNLAWFULLY CARRYING HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. They walked into a retricted area and had their gun on. Among law enforcement agencies in Texas, CHL holders have been called hyper-law abiding citizens. The DPS (Texas Highway Patrol) officer that stopped me once told me that he prefers to see the computer pop up with Texas CHL holder when he makes a stop. We've been pre-screened by not only Texas, but the FBI as well! He says that CHL holders are the most cooperative and friendly people he has contact with on a day to day basis. Bottom line: people that have a license to carry are much safer to be arround than the general population.
30 posted on 07/28/2003 10:28:54 AM PDT by HowardC
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To: King Prout
The Legacy of Gun Control (short film).
31 posted on 07/28/2003 10:31:07 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: BMiles2112
LOL. Never bring a bat to a gun fight.
32 posted on 07/28/2003 10:44:56 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: mbynack
Batman kills Joker - Good one.
33 posted on 07/28/2003 10:46:20 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: King Prout
The crime rate in this country is caused by THE CRIME CULTURE.

And prison populations are at an all-time high. No end is yet in sight.

34 posted on 07/28/2003 10:54:10 AM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: Puppage
Florida and Texas held statistics on the crime rate of CCW permit holders.

It was generally thousandths of a percent that engaged in any crime at all.

Maybe a half dozen over the entire course of the survey for both states combined were permit holders committing gun crimes.

Florida stopped tracking them because there were too few crimes to justify the programs continued funding.

I'm not sure if Texas still tracks them.
35 posted on 07/28/2003 10:59:00 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: King Prout; harpseal; wardaddy; Squantos; Eaker
You would THINK that this is self-evident. But in our dumbed down America, 2+2 can equal 3 or 500, depending on the needs of political correctness.
36 posted on 07/28/2003 11:01:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Maelstrom
Maybe a half dozen over the entire course of the survey for both states combined were permit holders committing gun crimes.

And, a "gun crime" can be anything from carrying in somewhere you're not supposedto, having it seen by someone who then calls the police (disturbing the peace charge). It doesn't just mean ya squeezed off a round when it wasn't warranted.

37 posted on 07/28/2003 11:19:20 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: mbynack
Did you ever noticed that the newspapers will report a shooting as "Automatic weapons kills 15 year old". If the kid gets run over they don't say "88 Buick Kills 15 Year old" they say "Drunk Driver Kills Kid". If the deed is done with a gun, the gun is to blame. If it's done with anything else it's the fault of the criminal.

Well, of course. Who do you think dominates the media still?

38 posted on 07/28/2003 7:20:30 PM PDT by MegaSilver (God bless Ann Coulter)
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To: Joe Brower
I'm STILL trying to figure out how the quote should have read.
Liberals are people who kill babies while pardoning baby-killers?
Liberals are people who kill babies while calling soldiers baby-killers?
something else?
Please clarify... sounds like it could be a pithy slam if in its proper form.
39 posted on 07/28/2003 11:28:23 PM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Travis McGee
Oh, yeah. Not only are we suffocating under "newspeak" but we are also mired in "newmath" in which the only statistics which can be quoted are those that exist nowhere but in the fecund imaginations of the Left.
40 posted on 07/28/2003 11:31:00 PM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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