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Bush, Republicans losing support of retired veterans
Knight Ridder ^ | 07-28-03

Posted on 07/28/2003 7:32:04 AM PDT by Brian S

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - President Bush and his Republican Party are facing a political backlash from an unlikely group - retired veterans.

Normally Republican, many retired veterans are mad that Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress are blocking remedies to two problems with health and pension benefits. They say they feel particularly betrayed by Bush, who appealed to them in his 2000 campaign, and who vowed on the eve of his inauguration that "promises made to our veterans will be promises kept."

"He pats us on the back with his speeches and stabs us in the back with his actions," said Charles A. Carter of Shawnee, Okla., a retired Navy senior chief petty officer. "I will vote non-Republican in a heart beat if it continues as is."

"I feel betrayed," said Raymond C. Oden Jr., a retired Air Force Chief Master Sergeant now living in Abilene, Texas.

Many veterans say they will not vote for Bush or any Republican in 2004 and are considering voting for a Democrat for the first time. Others say they will sit out the election, angry with Bush and Republicans but unwilling to support Democrats, whom they say are no better at keeping promises to veterans. Some say they will still support Bush and his party despite their ire.

While there are no recent polls to measure veterans' political leanings, any significant erosion of support for Bush and Republicans could hurt in a close election. It could be particularly troublesome in states such as Florida that are politically divided and crowded with military retirees.

Registered Republican James Cook, who retired to Fort Walton Beach, Fla., after 24 years in the Air Force, said he is abandoning a party that he said abandoned him. "Bush is a liar," he said. "The Republicans in Congress, with very few exceptions, are gutless party lapdogs who listen to what puts money in their own pockets or what will get them re-elected."

Veterans have two gripes.

One is a longstanding complaint that some disabled vets, in effect, have to pay their own disability benefits out of their retirement pay through a law they call the Disabled Veterans Tax.

Since 1891, anyone retiring after a full military career has had their retirement pay reduced dollar for dollar for any Veterans Administration checks they get for a permanent service-related disability. However, a veteran who served a two-or-four-year tour does not have a similar reduction in Social Security or private pension.

A majority of members of Congress, from both parties, wants to change the law. A House proposal by Rep. Jim Marshall, D-Ga., has 345 co-sponsors.

But it would cost as much as $5 billion a year to expand payments to 670,000 disabled veterans, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier this month told lawmakers that the president would veto any bill including the change.

The proposal is stuck in committee. A recent effort to bring it to the full House of Representatives failed, in part because only one Republican signed the petition.

"The cost is exorbitant. And we are dealing with a limited budget," said Harald Stavenas, a spokesman for the House Armed Services Committee.

The second complaint is over medical care. After decades of promising free medical care for life to anyone who served for 20 years, the government in the 1990s abandoned the promise in favor of a new system called Tricare. The Tricare system provides medical care, but requires veterans to pay a deductible and does not cover dental, hearing or vision care.

A group of military retirees challenged the government in a class-action lawsuit, won a first round, then were seriously disappointed when Bush allowed the government to appeal. Government won the next legal round.

"I voted for the president because of the promises," said Floyd Sears, a retired Air Force master sergeant in Biloxi, Miss. "But as far as I can tell, he has done nothing. In fact, his actions have been detrimental to the veterans and retired veterans. I'm very disappointed about the broken promise on medical care."

Stavenas said House and Senate negotiators were working this week on proposals to address the veterans' two specific complaints. He added that Congress has increased spending for veterans' benefits, including a 5 percent increase next year for the Veterans Health Administration.

Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said: "The Bush administration and the Republican Congress have taken and will continue to take steps to enhance benefits for our veterans."

Not all military retirees will vote against Republicans, of course. Some, like retired Air Force Lt. Col. Gene DiBartolo of Tampa, will vote for Bush again gladly.

Though he believes his fellow veterans have a just complaint, he said the government simply cannot "do everything."

As for Bush, he said, "he has restored honor and dignity to this nation ...

"It would take a lot more than this issue to dissuade me from my support of this man."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrine; dav; gwb2004; promises; retirees; veterans; veteransvote
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To: Dane
Then if you didin't take the time to see the differences between the candidates, then you have no right to bitch and moan.

He wasn't bitching and moaning. He came and defended Carenot.

261 posted on 07/28/2003 3:38:53 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Dane
I don't know what is 'Clintonian' about anything that I have posted. I happen to know carenot fairly well from the RFR chat server, and can say with certainty that she is neither a fraud nor trying to be 'pseudo-coy' as you suggested.

Furthermore I take issue with your suggesting my conscience is not clear, or that I am doing anything 'Clintonian'. Can't people have a discussion here anymore without resorting to jabs and personal insults?

NFP

262 posted on 07/28/2003 3:42:06 PM PDT by Notforprophet (A leg of lamb, a jug of wine, and thou! Alone together, whistling in the darkness.)
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To: taxcontrol; Brian S
To: Brian S
Got to tell you man, piss off the Base and you will LOSE the election as their support evaporates. The next election will be TIGHT. Partly because the Democrats feel they were cheated out of an election. They will muster every single member of their base...

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Bush seems to enjoy alienating his supporters.

263 posted on 07/28/2003 3:42:08 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Brian S
If I were a Vet I'd be pissed too. Their "care" by the Vet. hospitals is appalling. If you want to live you MUST get your own insurance and seek medical help elsewhere. It's equal opportunity at its WORST. Anyone who can't practice privately goes there to mistreat patients.

Instead of honoring his promise to Vets, who risked their lives for us, what does ole George do? Throw BILLIONS of dollars to Africa for their aids epidemic. To hell with Americans here who really deserve our respect and proper medical care. Ironically the people in Africa HATE us and don't appreciate the BILLIONS we throw at them for their epidemic. Bush is a disgrace on this issue and some others ... .

264 posted on 07/28/2003 3:43:27 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Dane; Jim Robinson
Yeah right, you have been on FR complaining about Bush since day 1 of your registering, IMO.

Prove it! Back that up or back down.

My posts

Threads I've bookmarked

265 posted on 07/28/2003 3:44:09 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Dane
Who did you vote for, or are you afraid to admit who you voted for.

I voted for Harry Browne.
I had 4 choices.
Bush, Gore, Nader or Browne.
No place for a write in. :(

266 posted on 07/28/2003 3:44:45 PM PDT by carenot
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To: harpu
FYI I also know retired Vets and they are PISSED as HEll at George for breaking his promises to them. Their medical care sucks at V.A. Hospitals and MOST must pay for their own insurance because of this and money is not easily found by them for this. We really have screwed the Vet.
267 posted on 07/28/2003 3:46:12 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Miss Marple
You are NOT free to come here after you have been banned with a new id and pretend to be a new poster who "supported Bush but now sees the light."

'Er ya nuts?

268 posted on 07/28/2003 3:47:11 PM PDT by carenot
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To: farmfriend; carenot
And a good response question would have been why. That would have initiated a debate on Bush's policies, good or bad, agree or not

So I guess anybody criticising a person who won't even tell who they voted for in President in 2000 for the sake of political debate is a pariah to you.

Sorry, but it the person who won't admit who they voted for President is the one who is the coward, IMHO, and would find mutual succor with the liberal media reporters who wince when the same question is asked of them.

Yes, it is. It is none of your's or anyone else's business and demonstrates your desire to use it against her rather than a true desire to have an honest debate

Like I stated above you are parrotting the liberal media line when they are asked that question of who they vote for.

No, we have loyally come to defend our friend. That is not Dems behavior. Your's on the other hand, requiring everyone to toe the Bush loyalty line, does strike me as Dem behavior

Oh yes it is dem behavior, IMO, most Liberals in the media get indignant when asked who they voted for.

269 posted on 07/28/2003 3:49:42 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Fred Mertz; Brian S; SLB; Squantos; Militiaman7; leadpenny; BufordP
and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier this month told lawmakers that the president would veto any bill including the change.
To: Brian S; SLB; Squantos; Militiaman7; leadpenny; BufordP

This Rummy guy is a major part of the problem.
I haven't paid a dime to Tricare and don't plan to either.
I'll just die young.
# 6 by Fred Mertz

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Rumsfeld is a flunky.

Rumsfeld only does or says things that he has permission to do or say.

President Bush is the one who said he would veto veteran benefits if Congress passed them, just as Bush is the one who said he would sign a bill to extend the "assault weapon" ban.

270 posted on 07/28/2003 3:50:56 PM PDT by exodus
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To: taxcontrol
There are 1000 veterans of WWII alone dying everyday. There number is dwindling. So where would the remaining ones find a leader they could support? Hillary? Dean?

Most of the vets I have spoken with (and my system seems to be as scientific as this author's) think of 9-11 as a siren call, just like December 7, 1941. There is more to agree with Bush than disagree with him. Furthermore, restructuring of social security and medicare is going to be the focus of Bush 43-II.

271 posted on 07/28/2003 3:52:41 PM PDT by MHT
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To: carenot
I voted for Harry Browne

Finally an answer.

Ok the political debate goes on now.

You voted for the person, Harry Browne, who on national TV basically said that 9/11 was America's fault and during his campaign in 2000 longed for the days in the early 1900's when an 10 year old could go into any pharmacy and buy a bottle of heroin.

Now wonder you were reluctant to admit who you voted for.

272 posted on 07/28/2003 3:53:46 PM PDT by Dane
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To: ohioWfan
You're motives are kinda transparent, too, fella.......

You are so cute when you get all red in the face when you are mad!

Hey, y'all, look how cute little ohio is!

273 posted on 07/28/2003 3:55:07 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Keep your promises or lose my vote

Which promise did you base your vote on that Bush broke ?

274 posted on 07/28/2003 3:55:17 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Dane
JMO, carenot was a Gorebot and is now worshipping at the footsteps of Terry MaCauliffe at the present moment.

Why do y'all just attack people?
I am always nice.

275 posted on 07/28/2003 3:57:47 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
That is about the dumbest post I have seen today. Why start taunting people?

NFP

276 posted on 07/28/2003 3:58:10 PM PDT by Notforprophet (A leg of lamb, a jug of wine, and thou! Alone together, whistling in the darkness.)
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To: Notforprophet
Furthermore I take issue with your suggesting my conscience is not clear, or that I am doing anything 'Clintonian'. Can't people have a discussion here anymore without resorting to jabs and personal insults?

My conscience is clear, what about yours. I voted for Bush and proud that he is my President, rather than the other realistic contender in 2000, Gore.

277 posted on 07/28/2003 3:58:11 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
So I guess anybody criticising a person who won't even tell who they voted for in President in 2000 for the sake of political debate is a pariah to you.

Her right to privacy should not be something that opens her up to your unfounded assumptions.

278 posted on 07/28/2003 3:58:13 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: ohioWfan
He's also a bit confused.........which supports the gorebot theory......

I wish you well.

279 posted on 07/28/2003 3:59:19 PM PDT by carenot
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To: ohioWfan
He's also a bit confused.........which supports the gorebot theory......

I wish you well.

280 posted on 07/28/2003 3:59:39 PM PDT by carenot
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