Friend of Bryant's accuser says he saw 'visible evidence'

USA TODAY ^ | 7/22/03 | AP

[cpdiii]

We do not know the guilt or innocence of this man. However, we will know long before the trial starts. If there is an intense effort to suppress evidence and cast doubt on evidence you will know he is guilty as hell. If there is an
effort to bring this to trial as quickly as possible and to confront the evidence and thus destroy the case against him, you will know he is innocent.

The key is what legal moves he makes and what attempts (if any) are made by his side to portray this as a nuts and sluts incident. Note: The nuts and sluts game is already out but the thing in question is whom is behind it.

The other key thing is what is the history of Kobe Bryant. Men do not just wake up one day in their mid twenties and decide this is the day I will become a rapist. Rapist will have a history of abuse that finally leads up to rape. If there is an effort by Kobe's team to suppress and buy off other women in his past, he may have a problem.

Something that does bother me (as an individual that was accused of sexual impropriety) is why he has not demanded a polygraph by a neutral agent acceptable to the police. When I was accused of sexual harrasment this is exactly what I did and at the same time demanded the accuser take one too. I did. She did not. She was fired.

If I were Kobe and innocent I would request the most aggressive inquiry by polygraph that the police can give. After passing it I would then destroy the woman in public with multiple interveiws with any newsprogram that would listen to me. This has not happened.

[lawdude]

"There is a special place in hell for the Kobe apologists dragging the girls name thru the mud without any verification of story or checking the reliability of those statements."

But it is ok to drag Kobe's name through the mud without any verification of story or checking the reliability of those statements.

We, as bystanders to the drama have no information sworn to and cross examined, do we. Where the hell do we get off making pronouncements on either side?

I wasn't there...were you?

[PBRSTREETGANG]

The KoBot standard for truth:

Rumor that supports their hero - FACT
Rumor that condemns their hero - Gossip
Evidence yet to be presented - Irrelevant
Drunken friend - reliable witness
DA & other authorities - biased small town racist hicks

The KoBasher standard for truth:

Rumor that supports their villain- Gossip
Rumor that condemns their villain - FACT
Evidence yet to be presented - Irrelevant
Drunken friend - liar
DA & other authorities - unquestionable knights in shining armor

Both sides are taking too strong a position based on sketchy evidence at this point, as far as I'm concerned.

[uncbob]

Navratilova was right on what, exactly?

Commenting on Wilt Chamberlains claim in his book that he had sex with 20,000 women
Martina said it was the typical double standard
A woman having that much sex and jumping in bed with everybody and anybody would be called a slut while the man is just ONE OF THE BOYS
Not an exact quote but words to that effect

On e other question
If Kobe and his wife love each other so much why wasn't she there to comfort him during his operation

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Thanks. No question there's a double standard. Although Chamberlain's claims only lessened my opinion of him. If Kobe and his wife love each other so much why wasn't she there to comfort him during his operation?

Just speculating, but they have a six month-old baby. She may not have wanted to travel with the infant.

[meandog]

I've heard all of this in the media, but what makes these points "not in dispute"

They are CORROBORATED by credible witnesses! (i.e. employees of the Inn where she worked, friends, hospital staff)

[meandog]

We do not know the guilt or innocence of this man. However, we will know long before the trial starts. If there is an intense effort to suppress evidence and cast doubt on evidence you will know he is guilty as hell. If there is an effort to bring this to trial as quickly as possible and to confront the evidence and thus destroy the case against him, you will know he is innocent.

I would say also that if we see the specter of Johnny Cochran, we'll also know that he's guilty ... incidentally, you make some good points (especially about the polygraph)...

[jimt]

So we have two possibilities here: an innocent man trying to keep from getting hosed, or a guilty man trying to get off.

I haven't seen enough to make up my mind - perhaps you have.

[meandog]

Many of these points are precisely what are "in dispute" Just because you choose to believe one media source over another doesn't take something out of dispute.

...not the media, but the credibility of "witnesses"...

[TomB]

They are CORROBORATED by credible witnesses!

How do you know they are "credible"?

And, by this standard, since more than one person allegedly heard her "brag" about the incident at a party, that is CORROBORATED also.

The fact of the matter is that we know very few facts from the case. We can all form our own opinions based on what is in the media now, but to pretend that that opinion is somehow factual is silly.

[meandog]

I agree. This psycho slut just got her 5 minutes of fame.

I must presume you're being facetious...if not, you're a g-d idiot!

[Evil Inc]

""But it is ok to drag Kobe's name through the mud without any verification of story or checking the reliability of those statements""

Kobe and hus people are doung the dragging. I havent seen anything from the girl. I haxe seen a lot to make me believe kobe is guilty. I prefer this was all sealed until trial. Kobe went on tv with wifey saying she thinks hes innocent. Boom the floodgates are open for comment, don't you think? Lip biting, heavy breathing, pouting declaring he is innocent. boohoo, oh yes, lets just let Kobe talk.

[Area51]

On Hannity's radio show yesterday there was a "Larry from Los Angeles" who was put on the air. Hannity admitted this was a false name and false location to protect his identity... 23 posted on 07/23/2003 4:51 AM PDT by USNA74

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Jack Nickelson
or
Dianne Cannon?

[sinkspur]

There is a special place in hell for the Kobe apologists dragging the girls name thru the mud without any verification of story or checking the reliability of those statements.

They were on MSNBC. People can judge the veracity. These are people who know her, and were at the party with her, all underage, enjoying adult beverages.

Meanwhile, you've managed to put those who might disagree with you in hell, something that usually happens much later in the process around here.

Congratulations. What hysterical ranting comes next? Nazi?

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Not in dispute is that young woman was:

(a.) delivering a room service request from Mr. Bryant.
(b.) Mr. Bryant was observed by guests of the Inn flirting with the young woman.
(c.)The young woman was "hysterical" after the room visit, according to the Inn staff.
(d.) The young woman was rushed to a hospital by the staff.
(e.) Friends (i.e. "witnesses") of the young woman are now claiming they have observed evidence of force.

I have read varying reports regarding the above. Some have stated:

(a.) the woman took the room service call and advised Mr. Bryant that room service was closed for the evening, yet she chose to go to his room empty-handed anyway.
(b.) The young woman was observed flirting with Mr. Bryant
(c.) Was she "hysterical" because she had been attacked or because she had been tossed out of his room immediately after consensual sex? (She had recently attempted to commit suicide over a failed relationship, right?)
(d.) The young woman went home and was home by midnight. The next morning her mother "told her she had been raped" based on the facts she described to her mother and then she went to the hospital.
(e.) Her friends claim "evidence of force" and that the evidence is "shocking". And you assess the credibility of her friends how?

As I've said many times here, I find the evidence too sketchy to make any conclusive judgments at this point. It does appear to me, however, that you assign levels of credibility based on your own pre-conceived notions.

[meandog]

And, by this standard, since more than one person allegedly heard her "brag" about the incident at a party, that is CORROBORATED also.

Apparently, your sources are better than mine...I've heard nothing but rumor about her "bragging" about the incident. Meanwhile, the employees at the Inn, the hospital staff, friends, etc., are on record as having backed up the fact that 1. she was personally summoned for a room service call; 2. that, afterwards, she was hysterical and dishevelved in appearence; 3.that, after first proclaiming (words to the effect) "all will see nothing happened when all is settled," Kobe admits adultry (shades of "I did not have sex with that woman"). 4. that, any competent DA doesn't charge unless there is undisputable pysical evidence to back up an arrest...

But, you have the right to go on believing that someone can't be guilty because, after all, he can hit a 3-pointer from the top of the key and what would the Lakers do if he has to go to jail?... (OBTW, Clinton's escapades were just about sex, nothing more; OJ was framed, so was Mike Tyson...and if you put a tooth on your pillow tonight, the tooth fairy will leave you a dollar.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

(d.) The young woman was rushed to a hospital by the staff.

Actually this statement is not correct. The victim drove herself home after the incident and her parents took her to the hospital. Had she gone to the hospital immediately, I would be more suspect. It is more often than not, in cases like this, that the victim wouldn't not rush to the hospital, but would be in shock before taking action.

I am sure that even if a violent incident did happen in that hotel room, that the victim would have been very confused as to what had happened and what to do. The first emotion to a situation like this is complete disbelief.

[RightOnline]

""She couldn't believe that his wife was sitting there and apparently didn't care about adultery," Bray said."

Yeah. Sure. Right. She sure gave a damn about little wifey's feelings when she went upstairs in the hotel to f**k her husband.

What a screwed up, shameless airhead.

[Area51]

Calling a Harpies, calling all Harpies. Target 10:00!

[Evil Inc]

I said it, I meant it. It isnt outrageous. The piling on by people "not in the room" is mostly on Kobe's side, and I am reacting to that. One Friend. turned out to be a casual acquantance with problems of her own. You are welcome to remain silent if you want. I choose to express my opinion.