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The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Tuesday, July 15, 2003 | Rachel Konrad - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

[crazykatz]

I will overlook your idiotic remarks in pity for you.

What do you do...read bad detective novels in your spare time? Border cops at the airport??? Rat people out??? Flight risk?

Go take a nap, baby... you are overtaxed with bad ideas.

[Bush2000]

Harley-Davidson says YOU are the one who is wrong.

H-D is an aberration. H-D's market is primarily domestic. And its buyers expect domestic production. It's part of the 'Harley mystique'.

Take your Thorazine.

[Jim Cane]

Reagan was responding to dumping by the Japanese.

The Chinese are dumping televisions as we speak. Textiles, too. Time to shut them down.

[bvw]

Vox Day is an extraordinary writer! What a joy to read him! I wonder where all the readers of extraordinary writers are, ha s the US (dis-) educational system destroyed them all?

Here is what he says:

Much has been written about the failure of capitalism with regard to the chicanery practiced by the executive officers of companies like Enron, Worldcom and Tyco. But it is not the capitalists who were guilty of misdeeds in any of these situations – for in a free market system, it is not the executives who are the capitalists, it is the shareholders.

Management is not ownership. While there is occasionally some overlap between the two, the average CEO holds only a very small percentage of a company's total shares and those only because they have been given to him by the ownership. But America's capitalists have been imprudent to place their trust in a group of mercenaries with no more loyalty to their shareholding employers than had Francesco Sforza to the Visconti of Milan.

[Bush2000]

The Chinese are dumping televisions as we speak. Textiles, too. Time to shut them down.

If you can show they're dumping goods at below cost, I'd agree. But I'll wait for your evidence...

[I_dmc]

Yes, I realize that the true issue is the creation of wealth. And the rest of the planet's incessant pillaging of the wealth created by the US. The conversion of raw material costing $X into $yX of goods is the creation of wealth. Nothing else is.

[calvo]

I get a kick out of these smug people that have a job and no sympathy for the ones that are being displaced. Answer me this, if low wages are good for a country, way are places like India, Pakistan and Vietnam such $hit holes. When you get your wish and we have destroyed the middle class, who are you going to sell your talents to?

[Jim Cane]

Commercial Information Circular No. 193/2003

US :Anti-dumping Measures against Products Originating in the Mainland of China

A list of current anti-dumping measures taken by the US against products originating in the Mainland of China is appended to this circular. The list is prepared on the basis of information available to the Department and is meant for traders' general information only. In case of doubt, traders may contact their US importers for clarifications.

ENQUIRIES

For enquiries concerning the content of this circular, please contact the undersigned at 2398 5682.

Yours faithfully,

(Miss Sofie Chow) for Director-General of Trade and Industry Commercial Information Circular No. 193/2003 US Anti-dumping Measures against Products Originating in the Mainland of China (Position as at 30 June 2003)

Commercial Information Circulars

Annex

Commercial Information Circular No. 193/2003

US Anti-dumping Measures against

Products Originating in the Mainland of China

(Position as at 30 June 2003)

(A) Cases in Force (54 cases)

Date of Initiation of Investigation

Product
Rate of Duty (Date of Imposition of Current Duty)	Remarks
1.	26.8.1982	Greige Polyester Cotton Printcloth	22.40% (18.3.1999)	-
2.	13.9.1982	Cotton Shop Towels	30.10% - 37.20% (5.8.1999)	-
3.	18.3.1983	Potassium Permanganate	107.32% - 262.90% (3.1.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 25.3.2003
4.	2.5.1983	Chloropicrin	58.00% (9.3.1999)	-
5.	18.11.1983	Barium Chloride	155.50% (17.3.2003)	-
6.	15.3.1985	Natural Bristle Paint Brushes and Brush Heads	0.00% - 351.92% (28.5.2003)	-
7.	7.6.1985	Iron Construction Castings	11.66% - 28.77% (9.9.2002)	-
8.	3.9.1985	Petroleum Wax Candles	54.21% - 65.02% (19.3.2003)	-
9.	31.12.1985	Porcelain-on-Steel Cooking Ware	66.65% (16.9.1999)	-
10.	19.9.1986	Tapered Roller Bearings	0.00% - 60.95% (31.12.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 24.7.2002
11.	17.10.1989	Industrial Nitrocellulose	78.40% (27.10.1999)	-
12.	2.5.1990	Heavy Forged Hand Tools, Finished or Unfinished, with or without Handles	axes/adzes: 2.66% - 55.74% bars/wedges: 0.00% - 139.31% hammers/sledges: 0.00% - 45.42% picks/mattocks: 0.02% - 98.77% (23.6.2003)	Under administrative review initiated on 25.3.2003
13.	31.7.1990	Sparklers	93.54% (13.7.2000)	-
14.	7.8.1990	Sulfur Chemicals (Sodium Thiosulfate)	148.42% (30.12.1999)	-
15.	20.9.1990	Silicon Metal	139.49% (13.6.2003)	-
16.	17.6.1991	Carbon Steel Butt-Weld Pipe Fittings	35.06% - 182.90% (3.12.1999)	-
17.	29.10.1991	Sulfanilic Acid	18.65% - 85.20% (22.11.2002)	-
18.	5.10.1992	Certain Helical Spring Lock Washers	0.00% - 128.63% (19.11.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 22.11.2002
19.	16.8.1993	Sebacic Acid	0.44% - 243.40% (28.5.2003)	-
20.	8.11.1993	Paper Clips	46.01% - 126.94% (5.7.2000)	-
21.	8.12.1993	Certain Cased Pencils	0.00% - 114.90% (19.9.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 22.1.2003
22.	8.12.1993	Silicomanganese	150.00% (2.6.2000)	-
23.	27.1.1994	Coumarin	31.02% - 160.80% (29.6.2001)	-
24.	28.2.1994	Garlic, Fresh	0.00% - 376.67% (19.6.2003)	Under administrative review initiated on 26.12.2002
25.	26.4.1994	Pure Magnesium	108.26% (3.8.2000)	-
26.	27.6.1994	Furfuryl Alcohol	43.54% - 50.43% (5.9.2000)	-
27.	28.7.1994	Glycine	17.99% - 155.89% (31.1.2001)	-
28.	24.10.1994	Honey	25.88% - 183.80% (10.12.2001)	Under administrative review initiated on 22.1.2003
29.	3.4.1996	Certain Brake Drums	0.00% - 86.02% (28.2.1997)	-
30.	3.4.1996	Certain Brake Rotors	0.00% - 43.32% (14.5.2003)	Under administrative review initiated on 21.5.2003
31.	6.8.1996	Persulfates	0.00% - 119.02% (10.2.2003)	-
32.	17.10.1996	Freshwater Crawfish Tail Meat	0.00% - 223.01% (21.4.2003)	Under sunset review initiated on 4.11.2002
33.	3.12.1996	Certain Cut-to-Length Carbon Steel Plate	0.00% (8.1.2003)	Suspension agreement in force Under sunset review initiated on 21.3.2003
34.	2.2.1998	Certain Preserved Mushrooms	0.00% - 198.63% (9.8.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 25.3.2003
35.	10.3.1999	Creatine Monohydrate	0.00% - 128.63% (18.4.2003)	Under administrative review initiated on 25.3.2003
36.	7.6.1999	Bulk Acetylsalicylic Acid (Aspirin)	0.00% - 144.02% (13.3.2003)	-
37.	7.6.1999	Certain Non-Frozen Apple Juice Concentrate	0.00% - 51.74% (14.11.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 24.7.2002
38.	8.7.1999	Synthetic Indigo	79.70% - 129.60% (24.5.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 24.7.2002
39.	9.3.2000	Steel Wire Rope	0.02% - 58.00% (28.2.2001)	-
40.	25.7.2000	Steel Concrete Reinforcing Bars	133.00% (7.9.2001)	-
41.	17.10.2000	Foundry Coke Products	48.55% - 214.89% (17.9.2001)	Under administrative review initiated on 24.10.2002
42.	13.11.2000	Certain Hot-Rolled Carbon Steel Flat Products	64.20% - 90.83% (28.9.2001)	-
43.	14.11.2000	Pure Magnesium in Granular Form	24.67% - 305.56% (27.9.2001)	-
44.	28.2.2001	Folding Gift Boxes	1.67% - 164.75% (8.1.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 27.2.2003
45.	8.3.2001	Certain Automotive Replacement Glass Windshields	3.71% - 124.50% (15.3.2002)	Under administrative review initiated on 21.5.2003
46.	24.5.2001	Certain Folding Metal Tables and Chairs	0.00% - 70.71% (16.5.2002)	-
47.	26.11.2001	Ferrovanadium	12.97% - 66.71% (28.1.2003)	-
48.	21.2.2002	Non-Malleable Cast Iron Pipe Fittings	6.34% - 75.50% (18.2.2003)	Final determination of sales at less than fair value on 18.2.2003 Final determination of material injury on 1.4.2003
49.	1.5.2002	Lawn and Garden Steel Fence Posts	0.00% - 15.61% (25.4.2003)	Final determination of sales at less than fair value on 25.4.2003 Final determination of material injury on 10.6.2003
50.	11.7.2002	Saccharin	249.39% - 329.94% (13.6.2003)	Amended final determination of sales at less than fair value on 13.6.2003 Final determination of material injury on 25.6.2003
51.	5.9.2002	Polyvinyl Alcohol	0.20% - 97.86% (20.3.2003)	Preliminary determination of material injury on 25.10.2002 Preliminary determination of sales at less than fair value on 20.3.2003
52.	30.9.2002	Barium Carbonate	7.66% - 75.10% (17.3.2003)	Preliminary determination of material injury on 20.11.2002 Preliminary determination of sales at less than fair value on 17.3.2003
53.	30.10.2002	Malleable Iron Pipe Fittings	4.96% - 146.41% (6.6.2003)	Preliminary determination of material injury on 20.12.2002 Preliminary determination of sales at less than fair value on 6.6.2003
54.	20.11.2002	Refined Brown Aluminum Oxide	218.93% (6.5.2003)	Preliminary determination of material injury on 23.1.2003 Preliminary determination of sales at less than fair value on 6.5.2003

(B) Cases under Investigation (5 cases)

	Date of Initiation of Investigation	Product	Remarks
1.	13.5.2003	Certain Color Television Receivers	Preliminary determination of material injury on 26.6.2003
2.	14.5.2003	4,4' - Diamino - 2,2' - Stilbenedisulfonic Acid and Stilbenic Fluorescent Whitening Agents	The investigation was first initiated on 31.3.2003 but terminated on 14.4.2003 upon withdrawal of petition. The petitioner later submitted the petition again and investigation initiated on 14.5.2003.
3.	20.6.2003	Polyethylene Retail Carrier Bags	Investigation in progress
4.	23.6.2003	Tetrahydrafurfuryl Alcohol	Investigation in progress
5.	30.6.2003	Ironing Tables and Certain Parts Thereof	Investigation in progress

(C) Case Terminated (1 case)

	Date of Initiation of Investigation	Product
1.	13.2.2002	Certain Ball Bearings and Parts	-

Last Updated: 17 July 2003

[Bush2000]

Thanks for proving that the system works: China is being forced to pay additional duties/tariffs on dumped goods.

[Jim Cane]

Thanks for agreeing that the Chinese are dumping. You wouldn't take my word for it before. Maybe you will from now on.

[Joe Bonforte]

"I get a kick out of these smug people that have a job and no sympathy for the ones that are being displaced. Answer me this, if low wages are good for a country, way are places like India, Pakistan and Vietnam such $hit holes. When you get your wish and we have destroyed the middle class, who are you going to sell your talents to?"

I'd like to say I get a kick out of people who are so abysmally ignorant of basic economics, but I don't. And unfortunately, the line stretches all the way from you up to Ross Perot and Patrick Buchanan.

I've been through this whole territory before, and in the unlikely event that you actually care about facts instead of rhetoric, you can check out this thread in which I talked about the fact that globalization in the form of NAFTA has generated good effects for our economy instead of the bad ones Perot and Buchanan predicted.

As far as your claim about India, et.al. being $hit holes, you've got things quite mixed up. Low wages there are just a symptom. They all have suffered through lousy governments for decades. Corruption, shaky property rights, government subsidy of all kinds of stupid things, etc. This has mired them in bad economic conditions, and that lead to low wages.

Instead, you should be looking for a country that has had a free, open, globalized economy for a few decades and nevertheless is an awful place to live. I can't think of one. Does that not suggest that globalization is a good thing?

Finally, I always have sympathy for folks without jobs. In fact, I'd say I have more sympathy than you, since I support polices that have been demonstrated historically to lead to more employment. Sure, we could have a protectionist economy, with lots of rules that protected people's jobs. Then we'd be Europe, who oddly enough in spite of their rules, unions, and laws have much higher unemployment than us.

[FITZ]

Sure, we could have a protectionist economy, with lots of rules that protected people's jobs.

And yet we're supposed to compete against countries like China and India whose governments not only protect their jobs but actively promote business while ours runs business out with extremely high taxation and regulation. In China when a tool and die shop opens, that government provides the building, electricity and even materials ---here the government does what it can to destroy the business.

[Bush2000]

Thanks for agreeing that the Chinese are dumping. You wouldn't take my word for it before. Maybe you will from now on.

No offense, but I think it's reasonable to expect proof when anybody makes an assertion.

BTW, my original point was to refute the claim that Reagan wasn't a free-trader. Reagan most certainly was a strong proponent of free trade. But critics have distorted his imposition of tariffs on semiconductors, steel, and other products to mean protectionism, when in fact it was intended to prevent illegal dumping by foreign companies in the U.S. marketplace.

[Bush2000]

Well said (as always), Joe. People would be well-advised to study the issues (http://www.freetrade.org). It is a proven fact that countries with open trade policies (I'm not talking about allowing dumping and other illegal practices) have lower unemployment, greater growth, lower taxes, and greater prosperity. This is counter-intuitive -- just as it is counter-intuitive to realize that lowering taxes actually increases commerce and bolsters federal revenues.

Many, many policitians and governments don't want to accept this reality because their constituents simply lack even the most basic understanding of economics. They find it safer to sell the message of protectionism ("Wink, wink. We're raising tariffs because we're looking out for your jobs..."), even though it has precisely the opposite effect.

India is not a Third World sh!thole -- any more than the U.S. is a sh!thole, considering the fact that poverty does (and will continue to) exist domestically. India, like many other countries, is a stratified society with two essential social castes: the rich and poor. There is not a big middle class. Over time, this middle class will form. But it will take time.

[VOA]

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