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Tech jobs leaving home
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Tuesday, July 15, 2003 | Rachel Konrad - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 07/15/2003 8:46:20 AM PDT by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:03:03 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Peter Kerrigan encouraged friends to move to Silicon Valley throughout the 1980s and '90s, wooing them with tales of lucrative jobs in a burgeoning industry.

But he lost his network engineering job at a major telecommunications company in August 2001 and remains unemployed. Now 43, the veteran programmer is urging his 18-year-old nephew to stay in suburban Chicago and is discouraging him from pursuing degrees in computer science or engineering.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: globalism; outsourcing; thebusheconomy
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To: hchutch
I prefer more direct compensation of CEOs (with SOME stock options for flavor, as the Board sees fit). It's easier to tie CEO compensation to company performance that way.

Some of the stock option packages pay MUCH more than the CEO's salary does. That creates an inappropriate focus.
141 posted on 07/18/2003 8:49:03 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: I_dmc
What is scientific management?

It's what Ford brought in to deal with his assembly lines, later much updated and applied to the entire economic system of the country, and now expanding to engulph the economic system of the entire planet.

142 posted on 07/18/2003 9:12:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Poohbah
If you actually HAD a brain you would actually understand that I am WARNING YOU ALL to her devious plans. Plans which you seem so willing to ignore while you line your pockets!!

I bet you also thought bombing Serbia back in 1999 was a good idea... IF you had read all our threads about the klintoons back then... YOU WOULD KNOW HOW MUCH WE DESISE THAT MURDEROUS BASTURD KLINTOON AND HIS WITCH WIFE.

If Hitlery comes into power... my husband, myself and our daughter are moving to another country. I can die there just as well as here. Remember deary, I am quite old.

In fact, we already have friends who have left the USA. They came here as refugees from the commies, many years ago and we helped them get a start in Atlanta.

Now that the commies are gone, they are now back home. They have two houses and we just might take them up on their offer to rent one to us. They have a couple of business' as well. Ronald Reagan is their HERO, just like he is mine.

And, no we will not lose a dime. Money has lovely ways of becoming gold jewelry and so forth. IF you are a goldsmith, even an amateur one and know how to make jewelry.... you can be set for life.

Remind me to tell you about the lovely gold necklace that goes so beautifully with my green wool suit. I could tell you about buttons too.

You are so silly sometimes. Jealous, by any chance?

Oh, poohbah, dear.... you MUST go back to work before your boss catches you posting on FR. I would hate for you to join the ranks of the UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS.

Not!

143 posted on 07/18/2003 9:43:39 AM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Poohbah
The Law of Unintended Consequences is always a hidden amendment to any legislation of this sort. CEOs started getting paid in stock options because they could NOT be paid actual salary above a certain level. . . .It would have been a lot simpler to just not have a CEO salary cap, and keep things on a basic level: "Yo, profits were up 27% last year, so's your salary, have a nice day."

Good points.

144 posted on 07/18/2003 9:57:46 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: crazykatz
Remind me to tell you about the lovely gold necklace that goes so beautifully with my green wool suit. I could tell you about buttons too.

And the nice border guards will simply rip the buttons and necklace right off of you as you leave. And the actions of cashing out are noticeable enough that you might get a HLS visit before you can leave the country. Especially with your habit of insulting and taunting people.

Like I said, the folks who brag about their money are loathe to give it up.

Ronald Reagan is their HERO, just like he is mine.

Funny thing, that...Reagan believed in free trade. You don't.

145 posted on 07/18/2003 10:02:47 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah
Funny thing, that...Reagan believed in free trade. You don't.

Funny thing is how you try to distort Reagan's legacy to suit your own agenda.

THE REAGAN RECORD ON TRADE: RHETORIC VS. REALITY

146 posted on 07/18/2003 10:08:08 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: FoxPro
"(and the don’t allow woman in their office building)."


Don't advertise too loudly what you do. Some Liberal whiny politico will try to sue you for your out-sourcing policies as a way to get around the hiring of American women. Don't laugh...you know the liberal climate in this country!
147 posted on 07/18/2003 10:10:39 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Poohbah; Dead Corpse
Not in 40+ years of traveling have guards ever looked at my buttons or jewelry twice.

What planet are you on???

I won't be going to some third world hellhole where the "border guards" (?) at the airport check out your buttons.

Gold is a metal NOT cheese or food which can be sniffed out. When you wear gold into a country as part of your ensemble.... nobody makes you declare it. SILLY.

I suppose YOU think one must declare their diamond studded WEDDING and ENGAGEMENT RINGS, as well.

Gee you don't know much about traveling in Europe do you. GEEZE!!

And, it was my hero Ronald Reagan who helped to put the protective tariff on 500 cc Japanese motorcycles so that MY FRIENDS at Harley-D, in Milwaukee, didn't lose their jobs.

R.R was for the American worker not the foreign one.

DON'T you have a job putting those low paid foreigners to work?? Get to it boy, before the boss kicks your behind out to the rank/lines over at the unemployment office.

148 posted on 07/18/2003 10:21:19 AM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Willie Green
BTTT

He does that with everything.... borderguards at the airport, hahhaha.

149 posted on 07/18/2003 10:22:47 AM PDT by crazykatz
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To: proxy_user
Someone told me that Verizon was so far ahead of my company, that they'd already sent their IT jobs to India, been dissatisfied with the results, and bought them back to the US.

Verizon is spending close to $400 million dollars building a contact and hosting center in India. Bell Atlantic was a large proponent of "outsourcing"; GTE was not.

150 posted on 07/18/2003 10:24:16 AM PDT by max61 (Genius knows it's limits, yet stupidity has no boundaries)
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To: crazykatz
Not in 40+ years of traveling have guards ever looked at my buttons or jewelry twice.

Under an HRC administration, they would. Especially if they've been prebriefed.

151 posted on 07/18/2003 10:32:01 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Tribune7
Like that vox of Vox Day:
"Land of the fearful, home of the craven" , July 7, 2003

... This attitude has somehow become the norm in America today in matters both public and private. Subjects once debated openly on the floors of Congress are now whispered only behind closed doors.

America is afraid. Most of her citizens may not realize it yet, but somehow, they have taken to heart the old Japanese dictum, the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. This is not the motto of a free people, it is a slogan of slaves. In today's America, the media will not discuss the fraudulent federal income tax nor the peculiar jurisdiction of the IRS, because journalists are afraid to be audited. Lawyers do not protest how judges regularly ignore the law as it is written in favor of so-called precedent, nor do they speak up in court when a judge blatantly flouts the centuries-old right of the jury to decide on both the justice of the law and its application, because they are afraid of being disciplined before the bar.


"Did Harry Potter take Mark of the Beast?" , June 28, 2003

... I've read that the average lifespan of a paper currency is only about 70 years, because the temptation to create more spending power by printing money is simply too tempting for politicians and central bankers. It all comes down to the basic law of supply and demand, when the supply for dollars increases faster than demand requires, then the price must fall.

Since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, so much money has been printed that 95 percent of the value of the dollar has been destroyed. In other words, a nickel then is worth a dollar now.

* * *

Could not find what he has written recently about "stockholders in name only", however.

152 posted on 07/18/2003 10:35:10 AM PDT by bvw
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To: I_dmc
You realize, of course, that no wealth is created by service jobs- only when a product is produced. The capital drain will continue unless we create and manufacture for export.
153 posted on 07/18/2003 10:57:42 AM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Willie Green
Funny thing is how you try to distort Reagan's legacy to suit your own agenda.

Your article is tripe. Reagan was responding to dumping by the Japanese. The Japanese were intentionally trying to cannibalize the semiconductor market by selling goods at below cost. Dumping isn't free trade: It's a gross distortion of free trade. Free trade means selling goods competitively in both directions -- not trying to destroy competition by dumping. Reagan reacted responsibly.
154 posted on 07/18/2003 12:50:20 PM PDT by Bush2000 (R>)
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To: Rockitz
You realize, of course, that no wealth is created by service jobs- only when a product is produced. The capital drain will continue unless we create and manufacture for export.

That's only partially true. If, for example, domestic corporations own foreign manufacturing plants, real wealth is generated, despite the fact that the jobs and plants don't reside here.
155 posted on 07/18/2003 12:52:40 PM PDT by Bush2000 (R>)
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To: Poohbah
Yeah, sure... you know ALL about it?

WRONG!!! You know nothing about about this subject whatsoever.

I have more knowledge about jewelry and accessories in gold and silver than you could EVER know. Even my old hands can fashion some lovely items. You should see my tapestry of a Chateau in France. It will make a nice handbag someday. Made it myself.

Real Gold and silver threads kept the Royals in France afloat for years and years. Didn't know that did you? They just kept picking them out of their clothes, their wall hangings and their accessories!

HRC's folks will be as stupid as she is.

By the way, popbah.... Our family has done a lot for charity and the USA. So, knock it off about people with money, NOT sharing their money.

ONCE Again... you know NOTHING about that either. You just blow smoke.. poof...

GET back to work! The H1B folks need your help.

156 posted on 07/18/2003 1:35:09 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Bush2000
Harley-Davidson says YOU are the one who is wrong.
157 posted on 07/18/2003 1:36:17 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: crazykatz
I have more knowledge about jewelry and accessories in gold and silver than you could EVER know. Even my old hands can fashion some lovely items. You should see my tapestry of a Chateau in France. It will make a nice handbag someday. Made it myself.

Yup. Assuming that the HRC admin doesn't decide to lock you up if you look like a flight risk.

158 posted on 07/18/2003 1:41:50 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: crazykatz
BTW, if you act IRL as you do on the 'Net...trust me, you have many people who will cheerfully rat you out to the authorities.
159 posted on 07/18/2003 1:51:26 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: bvw
Well you made dig throught the archives.

This is what I was thinking of. It's from May 12.

160 posted on 07/18/2003 2:01:08 PM PDT by Tribune7
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