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The Florida Supremes strike again!
News edge | 7/14/2003 | unknown

Posted on 07/14/2003 6:58:17 AM PDT by Froggie

Fla. Supreme Court strikes down parental notice abortion law PENSACOLA, FLORIDA - AP World News via NewsEdge Corporation : The Florida Supreme Court has struck down a law that requires parents to be notified at least 48 hours before their children under 18 can obtain abortions.

By a 5-1 vote Thursday, the justices in Tallahassee said the 1999 law violates privacy rights guaranteed under the Florida Constitution.

The opinion reinforced and relied heavily on a similar state Supreme Court decision that overturned a parental consent abortion law in 1989. That decision also rested on the state constitution's explicit privacy guarantee.

We recognize that the legal issue of abortion has been one of the most gut-wrenching, emotionally laden issues of the past decades in Florida, Senior Justice Leander Shaw wrote for the majority. Sitting as a court, however, we cannot be ruled by emotion.

He said the state's privacy guarantee is stronger than rights provided by the U.S. Constitution. The majority found no compelling state interest in restricting the privacy guarantee with a parental-notification law.

Lawmakers had passed a similar notification bill in 1998 but it was vetoed by then-Gov. Lawton Chiles. Gov. Jeb Bush, brother of President George W. Bush, signed the bill a year later, but it was never enforced because of the legal challenge from abortion providers.

The ruling was criticized by the governor, an abortion opponent.

It's hard to imagine we live in a society where parents wouldn't be notified of an abortion, Bush said.

The Republican governor was thrust into a heated debate over abortion earlier this year after he sought to have a guardian appointed for the fetus of a severely retarded rape victim, apparently because of the possibility she might obtain an abortion.

A state judge in Orlando repeatedly said there was no basis in the law for appointing a guardian for a fetus. The court appointed a guardian for the woman herself, and a plan was reached for the pregnancy to go forward.

Abortion-rights proponents were pleased with the court's decision Thursday.

The court recognized the harms that such laws impose on young women, including possible physical and emotional abuse, lack of access to confidential medical care, forced teen motherhood and delay in obtaining medical care, said Bebe Anderson, a lawyer for the New York City-based Center for Reproductive Law & Policy.

Anderson said the decision cannot be appealed to the federal level because it is grounded in the Florida Constitution.

This decision is outrageous and terrible, said Mike McCarron, executive director of the Florida Catholic Conference. It robs children of their parents' involvement in vital health decisions, and it robs the parents of their right to raise and properly care for their children, he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abortion; parentalnotification
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To: lugsoul
Apparently, you believe that the state should pay for students who signed up for math class to hear your prayers instead.

First, you fail to address any other example but this one and you even manage to mischaracterize that. At no time had I suggested that class time would be interrupted. Second, what does one get from a Marxist professor but a sermon? Third, the students aren't paying for very much. Check out the revenue sources for a state university.

121 posted on 07/14/2003 1:59:08 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
I'd love to engage you on the difference between the Free Exercise clause and the Establishment clause, but that is a topic for another thread. As soon as I land on one, I'll ping you. But I will respond to your implication, which is that I would disagree with or find a problem with an expression of religious faith in a government document. That is incorrect. However, that is far different than using state time and state money to promote the worship of a single faith.
122 posted on 07/14/2003 1:59:26 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
Your point?

Your head!

123 posted on 07/14/2003 1:59:53 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: lugsoul
The point was very simple: The school is a state actor and any "regulation" it has, has the force of law. Including parental consent for medical attention. That's all. I'm sorry if you got hung up on all the e.g.s.
124 posted on 07/14/2003 2:01:36 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
As far as your claim that I didn't respond to your other example, I thought I did. For what it is worth, I would challenge you to find any court ruling finding that a prof praying during office hours has violated the 1st in any way when a student walks in on him/her. That is ridiculous. And if you display religious material for YOU, as opposed to for all visitors to your office, that example is equally ridiculous. It doesn't happen.
125 posted on 07/14/2003 2:02:24 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: AmishDude
See #76
126 posted on 07/14/2003 2:05:32 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
I would challenge you to find any court ruling finding that a prof praying during office hours has violated the 1st in any way when a student walks in on him/her.

"No controlling legal authority", eh? No one would have said so about a teacher's aide wearing a crucifix, either. There is a first time for everything. That is the power of precedent.

The advocates for judicial power always say that: "Oh, the court will never go that far." And they always do.

And if you display religious material for YOU, as opposed to for all visitors to your office, that example is equally ridiculous.

Are you saying that a professor, putting religious literature on his office door, is in violation of "separation" or not?

127 posted on 07/14/2003 2:06:09 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: lugsoul
SECTION 2. Basic rights.-- All natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and protect property; except that the ownership, inheritance, disposition and possession of real property by aliens ineligible for citizenship may be regulated or prohibited by law. No person shall be deprived of any right because of race, religion, national origin, or physical disability.

It is the unalienable right and responsibility of parents to raise their children as they see fit.

Any infringement of that right violates the Constitution of Florida absent malfeasance or neglect.

Any person or judge that claims different can only be a communist.

128 posted on 07/14/2003 2:07:55 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: lugsoul
Try repeating your argument in #76 a little more clearly. I'm not sure of which nouns the adjectives are modifying.
129 posted on 07/14/2003 2:08:16 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
The problem with this entire discussion, and the article, is that it doesn't really describe what the law at issue is about. It is about ADDITIONAL parental notification over and above what is required for standard medical treatment. And that is what the court struck down. And this ADDITIONAL notification did not include any of the procedural safeguards or alternatives available to minors for any other medical procedure.
130 posted on 07/14/2003 2:08:55 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: AmishDude
The example is a negative. You said the nurse (school) acts for the state. However, in the example, the nurse refuses to act, without permission - and there is no state law mandating the refusal. To use your off-topic example, it is like claiming that you, by not praying in front of class, are acting in the state's stead to REFUSE prayer.
131 posted on 07/14/2003 2:12:37 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: AmishDude
Separation is not the law. That being said, I'd love to have this discussion on a 1st Amendment thread. If ya wanna get it started, just find a Judge Roy Moore article to post.
132 posted on 07/14/2003 2:13:47 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: jwalsh07
"It is the unalienable right and responsibility of parents to raise their children as they see fit. Any infringement of that right violates the Constitution of Florida absent malfeasance or neglect. Any person or judge that claims different can only be a communist."

Perhaps you should read the article, and the law. This court didn't infringe on anyone's right to raise their children. Those people on this thread who say there are no legal notice and consent requirements for abortion are lying. All this court did was strike down an additional requirement, on top of the ones that exist for medical procedures in general.

Also, perhaps you should find a definition of communist.

133 posted on 07/14/2003 2:16:20 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
and there is no state law mandating the refusal

The school's policy -- not a policy of the nurse -- has the force of law.

134 posted on 07/14/2003 2:17:52 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: lugsoul
SECTION 23. Right of privacy.--Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person's private life except as otherwise provided herein.

[snip]

Any strict constructionists want to step up to the plate and show us where teenagers are excluded from the constitutional privacy right?

Wrong angle. Instead, it should be pointed out that parental supervision of their children does not count as "governmental intrusion".

The language and intent of that portion of the FL Constitution clearly means to protect people from GOVERNMENT meddling. It shouldn't be construed to mean that the government is supposed to stand between parents monitoring and having a say in their children's actions.

Interpreted too broadly, this clause could be read to overturn almost every law in Florida. Because if going to a *public* health provider is a "private" matter, then what isn't? Surreptitiously buying heroin from Joe on the street corner is just as "private" a transaction, why isn't that protected?

135 posted on 07/14/2003 2:22:56 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: AmishDude
AmishDude, you are missing the point. The policy is a negative. The policy is "we won't give medicine without permission." The arguments upthread are that this is somehow in conflict with a court saying that a certain state law is in violation of the constitution. The school violates no right by refusing to dispense medicine without parental permission. You have no right to get an aspirin in school without permission. You do, however, have a right to privacy - and if the legislature passes a law infringing on that right (i.e., if the school policy was that the school must call the parents 48 hours before the child can use a tampon), that would be violative.
136 posted on 07/14/2003 2:23:00 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
are cuban kids arriving on an inner tube alowed this privicy also?
137 posted on 07/14/2003 2:25:55 PM PDT by slohand
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To: lugsoul
SECTION 23. Right of privacy.--Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person's private life except as otherwise provided herein.

2.01 Common law and certain statutes declared in force.--The common and statute laws of England which are of a general and not a local nature, with the exception hereinafter mentioned, down to the 4th day of July, 1776, are declared to be of force in this state; provided, the said statutes and common law be not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States and the acts of the Legislature of this state.

138 posted on 07/14/2003 2:25:55 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Ichneumon
I've said this about 25 times. THERE IS NO FLORIDA LAW STATING THAT KIDS CAN GET ABORTION WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS KNOWING. NONE. NADA.

This Court didn't say that. The Legislature hasn't said it. That argument is a red herring. There is no action here interfering with a parent raising their child. All this did was remove an additional law requiring additional communication between a physician and a parent, over and above the requirements that already exist for medical treatment. That's all.

139 posted on 07/14/2003 2:26:27 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: slohand
This is not an Elian thread, either.
140 posted on 07/14/2003 2:27:49 PM PDT by lugsoul
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