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The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread
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Posted on 07/12/2003 12:52:33 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford

George Tenet's admission last night that it was his mistake that caused President Bush to use faulty intelligence in his State of The Union address is interesting at the same time as it is convienent. In the statement itself, which is lengthy and filled with reasons as to the intelligence failure, Tenet wholeheartedly takes responsility for his agency.

"Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the President's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my Agency. And third, the President had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President. "

On the face of it, this admission seems like the perfect solution to the growing problems for both the Bush and Blair administration. It's all CIA's fault, they can claim. But is that really viable?

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

For discussion purposes - has Bush been conned by Tenet? And if he has, isn't that rather serious?

And if he wasn't conned by Tenet, what is the alternative?


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To: Sparta
Read it for yourself. I shant waste my time with you. Try reading post #116 for a start.

Now, go Google.
181 posted on 07/12/2003 2:20:49 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I have to agree with you, Dan...the buck stops with the Prez.....it sounds like the blame game.....IMHO Tenet should have kept quiet and Bush should have addressed the nation and explained what happened to the American people.
182 posted on 07/12/2003 2:20:49 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Well, that's true, but it would not serve the President for him to suggest that he's not responsible for the content of the State of the Union address that he delivers to Congress.

It seems to me that Bush has answered this charade by saying that the CIA vetted the speech, not as a pass-the-buck-gesture but to say that the intelligence was there whether this particular piece of it proved reliable or not. The left is insisting that Bush lied and that U.S. troops died as a result. Bush didn't gather the data, the British did. Bush didn't analyze the data, the British and the CIA did. Bush passed the speech by the CIA before he delivered it. The CIA approved. Where is the confusion?

So, it later proved false or maybe it was proved false even before it was given, but that never reached Bush or he wouldn't have said it. He is too smart to get into this trap. The left is trying to do to Bush what they did to Trent Lott.

183 posted on 07/12/2003 2:20:58 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Yep .. it was reservations

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/944614/posts Text of CIA Director Tenet's Statement

Also in the fall of 2002, our British colleagues told us they were planning to publish an unclassified dossier that mentioned reports of Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium in Africa. Because we viewed the reporting on such acquisition attempts to be inconclusive, we expressed reservations about its inclusion, but our colleagues said they were confident in their reports and left it in their document.

184 posted on 07/12/2003 2:21:21 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: lelio
For the record, I'm curious about Wilson too. And I don't think that we're the only ones, not by a long shot.
185 posted on 07/12/2003 2:21:28 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: Lauratealeaf; Cathryn Crawford
Basically, from her comments, all she's saying is that the truth must be put out there ASAP. How does that make her a Bush-hater?
186 posted on 07/12/2003 2:22:14 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: huck von finn; William McKinley
I'm curious, too. I'm doing a bit of research as we speak.
187 posted on 07/12/2003 2:22:19 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: PhiKapMom
you might want to disclose on that thread that you are a columinist for the Washington Dispatch!

She's a conservative writer, and her columns are almost always posted on here for discussion.

188 posted on 07/12/2003 2:23:20 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Crashed and Burned, eh gungrabbers?")
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To: Sparta
Read #116 and here is the last paragraph. Talking about our going after terrorism in the manner she writes doesn't seem to me like she has any respect for President Bush or his Administration. Those are my bold and my underline BTW.

The Bush Administration has begun a chess game of monumental proportions. It is breathtaking in its sheer audacity. The premise is that America can and will reshape the Middle East in the coming years, and, thereby, reshape the entire world. The entire issue of worldwide American-imposed peace is a volatile one. Many countries view us as a bully, pushing our democracy and values on other nations. However, the real question is: Which is preferable - Pax Americana, or less-than-perfect and sometimes brutal governments?

189 posted on 07/12/2003 2:23:27 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Dog
I agree
190 posted on 07/12/2003 2:23:38 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Because you use language like this:

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

I don't believe for one minute - in spite of what the press keeps trying to tell me - that President Bush is "incompetent" or "simply not paying attention". You're certainly welcome to ask the questions - but Cathryn, frankly, I think it indicates something about you that you would.

You're a Texan. Is this really a possibility in your mind - that your former governor/your president could be an incompetent boob?

You know I think you're very bright, and perhaps you feel as though you're being objective when you frame questions that way, but it makes someone like me feel as though I may as well be reading the Washington Post.

I don't read the Washington Post, and there's a reason I don't.

We see these sort of implications constantly in the mainstream press. I wish we could dispense with them among conservatives.

191 posted on 07/12/2003 2:23:41 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: deport
There is nothing wrong with those 16 words if the President doesn't now wish they hadn't been included in his State of the Union address.
192 posted on 07/12/2003 2:24:04 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: huck von finn
Bush is supporting Tenet.

I theorize it a little differently: Bush is supporting Cheney; Tenet is taking an arrow for Cheney because Cheney has already been stuck repeatedly over his Halliburton connections.

"The buck stops here", but Tenet is the one putting his hand up. It was Cheney who pursued the uranium-sale angle and bought the story nevertheless when his investigator had warned him off and the people at CIA and State didn't want to sign off on it.

Both Bush and Tenet are covering for Cheney.

Makes you wonder who is really calling the shots, and whether the GOP hasn't quietly inverted some political roles behind the scenes, so that leadership of the Party and Administration really comes from Cheney's office. If so, that would mean the Administration has made Cheney a sort-of prime minister and head-of-government in the political sphere, if not in the constitutional sphere. But I'm just thinking out loud.

193 posted on 07/12/2003 2:24:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: onyx
The article in post 116 is taken out of context. Miss Crawford supported the war with Iraq.
194 posted on 07/12/2003 2:25:32 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Well put in your #191
195 posted on 07/12/2003 2:25:43 PM PDT by Peach
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To: optimistically_conservative
WH to CIA: "OK, but will you sign of on the SotU if it says that the British are the ones reporting it?"
CIA to WH: "Yes."

I can easily imagine something exactly like that happening. But not because of anything sinister. Somewhere in the White House is this room full of people whose job is to get this speech done. They've been shaving and polishing this thing for two months. Nearly every damned sentence has to be checked or cleared with somebody, sometimes a half-dozen agencies. We need to make sure Senator Foghorn doesn't hear this for the first time in this speech or he'll never support it; we have Bush saying here that 17 children in Junction Switch, Mississipppi were saved by the heroics of this fireman who will be sitting next to Laura... who has their names, and how do we know there were 17 and not 16 or 18?

That goes on for weeks. Eventually the people in this room start getting both defensive and burned out. Now when they're on the phone they almost care less about the facts than they do finding the Minimum Necessary Change that will get the reviewing agency to sign off on the damned thing. Good! One more sentence put to bed.

Is Tenet privy to these discussions? Is Bush? Is Condoleezza Rice? Hell no... the speech is Tuesday. Today Israel bombed the Palistinians, the Palistinians rocketed the Israelis, Senator Foghorn is going off the reservation on tax reform... the fun never stops at the highest levels of government. So these are all under-assistant deputy speech writers talking to deputy assistant policy planners.

Anyone who has ever seen even a medium-sized bureaucracy in action has no trouble envisioning how this kind of stuff could happen. It happens every day, everywhere. It's time to get the damned thing out the door... if I change this will you say yes? Bam, out it goes.

196 posted on 07/12/2003 2:25:46 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Dog
And in this investigative column you could write you might ask other members of the DC press corp about that talking point memo you all recieved from the DNC asking you to help bring down this President.

Up until now I always thought you were a rational poster.

197 posted on 07/12/2003 2:25:55 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (My other tagline is a Porsche)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
To say that Bush, as top man, is responsible for all the government does is also unrealistic.

He's the CEO. Head of the exec branch of govt. The buck stops with the president, whoever it is. The people like Tenet work for him.

The responsibility lies with Bush and his team. What he does, is what I am waiting on.

198 posted on 07/12/2003 2:25:56 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Crashed and Burned, eh gungrabbers?")
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To: Scenic Sounds
Bump to what you said.

FMCDH

199 posted on 07/12/2003 2:25:59 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Jim Noble
Which WMD are we talking about? Nuclear or chemical and why is there any doubt that he was involved in either? We know he gassed great numbers of his own people to death, and that he was working on the bomb. Who cares what his timetable was or is?

If Saddam was innocent of all the horrible charges against him, why did he not provide the proof needed thereby saving his regime? Did he simply not believe we would knock his head off and spit down his neck? Or did he think this an international game of chess? What the hell was funky France doing kissing Saddams rear quarters and providing nuclear plants (albiet some time ago)?

George Bush has lost no credibility at all. Only with the socialist left, communists, PLO appologists and Al Queda admirers. The rest are at ease with this man's word. The democrats look dumber than door knobs, take it back, they are dumber than door knobs.
200 posted on 07/12/2003 2:26:33 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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