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Another Anti-Semitic Canard Dies
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | Friday, July 11, 2003 | By Nathan Guttman

Posted on 07/10/2003 11:53:56 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Another Anti-Semitic Canard Dies
By Nathan Guttman
Ha'aretz | July 10, 2003


New documents released this week by America's National Security Agency support Israel's version of a long-festering controversy between the two countries: Israel's sinking of an American spy ship, the USS Liberty, off the coast of Gaza during the1967 Six-Day War.

Israel has always said it had no idea the ship was American, but conspiracy theorists and anti-Israel propagandists still claim Israel sank the ship in the full knowledge that it was American.

The documents, originally defined as top secret, were made public by Florida Judge Jay Cristol, who has been investigating the Liberty incident for years and published a book on the subject last year. On Monday, the NSA gave him a transcript of conversations held by two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots who were hovering over the Liberty as it was sinking, and these tapes confirm Israel's claim that the sinking of the ship, which killed 34 American servicemen and wounded 171, was a tragic error.

After the Liberty was bombed by both the Israel Air Force and the Israel Navy, the two helicopter pilots were summoned from their base to assess the damage and evaluate the possibility of rescuing the surviving crew members. An American spy plane, which had been sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack, recorded their conversations, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 P.M. on June 8, the third day of the war.

The spy plane also recorded the orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at Hatzor Base, which instructed them to search for Egyptian survivors from the "Egyptian warship" that had just been bombed - thus supporting Israel's claim that it had believed the ship was Egyptian when it ordered it attacked. "Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the pilots were told.

Nine minutes later, Hatzor informed the pilots that it was not an Egyptian warship, but an Egyptian cargo ship. Only at 3:07 were the pilots first informed that the ship might not have been Egyptian at all: Hatzor told them that if they found Arabic-speaking survivors, they should be taken to El-Arish, but if they found English-speaking survivors, they should be taken to Lod. "Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately," the supervisor instructed, according to the transcript. "It's important to know."

Then, at 3:12, one of the pilots informed Hatzor that he saw an American flag flying over the damaged ship. He was asked to investigate and determine whether it was really an American ship.

This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it sank the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands.

Israel has always said it attacked the Liberty, which America sent to the region to gather intelligence on the progress of the war, because it believed it was an Egyptian supply ship ferrying supplies to the Egyptian troops that Israel was then fighting. When it discovered the error, it immediately informed the Americans, apologized and paid compensation to the victims' families.

The incident was investigated by inquiry commissions in both Israel and the United States, and both concluded that it had, indeed, been a tragic error. Nevertheless, the controversy never died. In 1979, one of the survivors, James Ennes, published a book accusing Israel of bombing the American ship deliberately. Ennes claimed an Israeli spy plane had hovered over the ship all morning and had surely identified it as American, since the American flag was clearly visible.

A later book, written by James Bamford, charged that Israel sank the ship in order to keep America from learning of its plans to attack Syria, and further claimed that the NSA had tapes of conversations among Israeli pilots that not only confirmed this, but also proved that the tapes released by Israel had been doctored.

Another claim that appears frequently on the dozens of Internet sites devoted to the affair is that Israel sank the ship to conceal a mass murder of Egyptian soldiers on the Sinai peninsula.

In its letter to Cristol, the NSA stressed that, contrary to the claims that often appear in such books and Web sites - that the agency has tapes from both the Liberty and from a nearby American submarine that confirm Israel's guilt - the only tapes that exist were those made by the spy plane and given to Cristol this week.

"It's the last piece of intelligence that remained classified, and every rational person that will read it will understand that there is no truth in these conspiracy theories against Israel," Cristol said Tuesday. But he added: "Those who hate Israel, who hate Jews, and those who believe in conspiracy will not be convinced by anything."

Cristol, a former U.S. navy pilot and legal officer, began investigating the Liberty incident 14 years ago. Since publishing his book, which vindicates Israel, he has received threats and been accused of being an Israeli agent. "I take this lightly, but I am saddened to learn that there is this kind of hate toward Israel," he said.



TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bloodlibel; israel; ussliberty
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To: JohnHuang2
The title is a pile of clinton because criticism of Israel is not inherently "anti-semetic".

That said, this title: (372 posts so far) was better, but not by much.

-Eric

21 posted on 07/11/2003 5:19:05 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: AppyPappy
When navy ships are in port they fly the U.S. colors from a flagstaff at the stern. In the first picture the flagstaff isn't visible. Immediately upon getting underway the colors are shifted to the 'steaming ensign' which is broken out on the flag gaff on the mainmast. In the second picture the mast that you see is one of the pole masts visible forward and aft of the main superstructure. The mainmast is the one just forward of the funnel.
22 posted on 07/11/2003 5:24:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: AppyPappy
The communications were only for two rescue helicopters who were involved well after the attacks. It was not important for them to accurately know the identify of the ship to perform their mission. I would be much more interested in the communications involving the earlier recon and attack aircraft. These have been kept secret, however.
23 posted on 07/11/2003 5:26:19 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Jeff F
Do you have evidence that the Israelis pilots knew it was an American ship? Any transcripts? Any recordings?
24 posted on 07/11/2003 5:35:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
That should be true. Perhaps someone has a picture of the ship before the bombing where the American flag is prominent. I was commenting that the few pictures we had didn't show a flag.
25 posted on 07/11/2003 5:36:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
In reply 17 you can see the U.S. colors flying from the mainmast. If memory serves Liberty was flying what was called the 'battle ensign' which is traditionally the largest ensign on board. It's hard to tell from the picture, but those may be the colors that are flying since the seem to be larger than normal colors, which are not much larger than the flag one flies from their home. Even if it is the battle ensign you can see how hard they can be to make out from only about a quarter mile away. Still, proper identification of Liberty should have been possible for the Israeli military from the ship profile, the hull number at the bow, color, things like that. They shouldn't have needed to rely on the flag.
26 posted on 07/11/2003 5:47:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yes but reply 17 wasn't taken on the site of the bombing. We are ASSUMING that the flag was easily visible to the Israeli pilots. But we have no proof of that unless someone can produce evidence to the contrary.

Still, proper identification of Liberty should have been possible for the Israeli military from the ship profile, the hull number at the bow, color, things like that.

If it were that easy, we would NEVER have friendly fire incidents. You are ASSUMING the Israelis knew it was an American ship and bombed it anyway but you have no proof that it true. It's only speculation. The Pentagon said it was an accident. For some reason, I think they know more than I do and they don't have a reason to lie to me over this. The American government has chastised Israel over other matters. Why cover up this one?

27 posted on 07/11/2003 5:54:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: JohnHuang2
And Jason Pollard was jailed as a spy working for Israel. Is the Israeli state an ally of the US or not? If not, what the Hell are we doing in the Middle East at all?
28 posted on 07/11/2003 6:16:58 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
Who's Jason Pollard?
29 posted on 07/11/2003 7:37:05 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
My error, it was Jonathan Pollard. I believe this was the individual that was either in, or employed by, the US Navy in their intelligence service, who, with his father and brother, passed certain sensitive information to the Israeli intelligence service. Israel petitioned the US for their release, which was denied by the US authorities. At the moment, Pollard is locked down in prison, held incommunicado.
30 posted on 07/11/2003 8:32:04 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
My error, it was Jonathan Pollard. I believe this was the individual that was either in, or employed by, the US Navy in their intelligence service, who, with his father and brother, passed certain sensitive information to the Israeli intelligence service. Israel petitioned the US for their release, which was denied by the US authorities. At the moment, Pollard is locked down in prison, held incommunicado.
The family act was the Walkers, spying directly for the Soviets. The fact that Israel has pushed for Pollard's release is true.

Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)

-Eric

31 posted on 07/11/2003 8:40:49 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: alloysteel
At the moment, Pollard is locked down in prison, held incommunicado.

And rightfully so.

It's a sad fact of international diplomacy that allies spy on one another. Realpolitik, you know.

It's part of the rules of the game. Pollard knew the rules, and he got caught. All of his whining won't change the fact that he betrayed his native land for money.

32 posted on 07/11/2003 8:40:53 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: JohnHuang2
Pardon me, but I asked in post #10, below, WHEN the Israelis first made the claim that the attack on the Liberty had been a mistake. Do you know ? Surely it is highly relevant to the vehement exchange of views in this forum to know the answer to my query. Do you not know the answer to my question ?
33 posted on 07/11/2003 10:52:22 AM PDT by I. M. Trenchant
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To: mrustow
"And there were no crematoria at Auschwitz! I know, because David Irving told me so! And Hitler was just defending Germany against International Jewry! Yeah!

Guttman was on the liberty?... LOL... Ooooh alphadog is a Jew hater...grow up fool

34 posted on 07/11/2003 5:51:52 PM PDT by alphadog (die commie scum)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"The truth hurts, I'd imagine. ...But by all means, continue to hold fast to your delusion if it makes you feel better."

The way I feel is NOYB...The truth is not delusional... Guttman is ranting and your buying it...

35 posted on 07/11/2003 5:56:10 PM PDT by alphadog (die commie scum)
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To: alphadog
"Guttman is ranting"

What's a Guttman? Some cub reporter. Can't be believed because he is Jewish?

That's no conspiracy.

You want a conspiracy?

The United States NSA? They're ranting too?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942986/posts

ZOG is everywhere?
36 posted on 07/11/2003 6:07:16 PM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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To: Courier
Courier ("Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.")

Their not you?

37 posted on 07/11/2003 6:23:22 PM PDT by alphadog (die commie scum)
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To: alphadog
I can tell you of at least one grammatical mistake they teach in the English language classes in Riyadh?
38 posted on 07/11/2003 6:34:30 PM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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To: AppyPappy
Do you have evidence that the Israelis pilots knew it was an American ship? Any transcripts? Any recordings?

Please don't ask him logical and probing questions, it only gets in the way of his agenda.

39 posted on 07/11/2003 6:46:17 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: Courier
"I can tell you of at least one grammatical mistake they teach in the English language classes in Riyadh?"

They're right...

40 posted on 07/11/2003 6:53:58 PM PDT by alphadog (die commie scum)
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