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To: Protagoras
Nafta causes illegal immigration?

Where did I say NAFTA caused illegal immigration? All I said was it's done nothing to stem it like Phil Gramm and others promised it would. What NAFTA has done though is lower real wages by the fact so many manufacturing jobs are moving out leaving us with only the low-paying service ones. When you combine that with explosive illegal immigration, it is a recipe for disaster.

You don't speak for conservatives as I have pointed out.

Well thank God you're here to point it all out for us. Again, where was it said I spoke for conservatives? I'm going by what I'm reading and hearing and very few of them support mass immigration, amnesties, guest worker programs, and free trade deals that are putting so many American out of work. I certainly don't go along with those policies and will support those candidates who agree with me. And there are a growing number in Congress who do, and not democrats either.

125 posted on 07/10/2003 10:57:55 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
What NAFTA has done though is lower real wages by the fact so many manufacturing jobs are moving out leaving us with only the low-paying service ones.

They must be high paying low paying jobs because US citizens make more than almost anyone else in the world. The low paying service jobs nonsense is right out of the liberal Democrat talking points handbook.

And again, illegal immigration is not advocated by the Cato Institute any more than they advocate open borders as you earlier stated.

The idea that free trade deals are the cause of "so many Americans" being out of jobs is a myth. There are many causes for lost jobs, blaming them on freer trade (than previously) is nonsense.

And when you say lower "real" wages, what are you referring to? The artifically phony high wages for menial work you advocate? Those aren't real. The workers in other countries BTW have experienced real wage growth. But I guess they don't count for some reason.

As far as protectionists growing in congress, I think you are dreaming if you think the country will return to repeat the mistakes of the past. Populists and other power seekers will always try to convince people that they have the answer, but they are wrong. And thankfully we will not be returning to the economics of tyranny and the dark ages any time soon.

127 posted on 07/10/2003 11:20:54 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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