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DROP IT -- Redistricting would benefit few Texans, harm many
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 9, 2003 | Editorial Board

Posted on 07/09/2003 5:19:00 AM PDT by Dog Gone

Just hours after the Texas House passed a congressional redistricting bill, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and key senators all but declared the House map dead.

They had many good reasons to do so.

The House map, drawn at the behest of U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, would be vulnerable to court challenges that it violated both the Voting Rights Act and the Constitution. If adopted, the map would ensure that few Texas voters would know either the incumbent member of Congress or the challengers.

The House plan would disrupt longstanding representation of rural, urban and minority interests. Is there anything left to be served but DeLay's ambitions for greater and more permanent power?

Republicans in the Texas House passed their redistricting bill with such thoughtless haste that they did not bother to establish its merit in debate or counter the many arguments made against it. The lieutenant governor said House Republicans did not bother to consult him. Since his support is vital to final passage of a redistricting plan, House Republicans proved they were less concerned with passing legislation beneficial to Texans than with blindly doing DeLay's bidding.

Rep. Ron Wilson of Houston was one of only two House Democrats to vote for the redistricting map. He said it would improve the chances that a black candidate could replace U.S. Rep. Chris Bell, a Democrat, in District 25. Whatever motives Wilson had for making his pact with the House leadership, a genuine desire to advance the interests of Houston's minority residents was not among them.

Gov. Rick Perry bears ultimate responsibility for pointlessly prolonging the agony of the redistricting battle in a special session.

Perry might not care that editorials in most of the state's major papers oppose redistricting. He might not care that most of the voters who attended public hearings on redistricting spoke vehemently against it. But he should have some regard for his own honor and credentials as a leader who puts the good of the state above the whim of a Washington powerbroker.

Perry, like other state leaders of both parties, acknowledged before the start of the regular session that Texas had more crucial needs than redistricting. Many of those needs, such as school finance reform, have not been met. Perry should not have wasted the Legislature's time and the taxpayers' money on a divisive issue that offers benefits to few and harm to many.

President Bush publicly feigns indifference to redistricting but has his aide, Karl Rove, lobby for it behind the scenes. The president diminishes the bipartisan credentials he earned as governor of Texas and ignores his campaign promise to unite rather than divide.

Dewhurst and some senators say they want to craft a more reasonable district map than the one the House adopted. Any map they drew, however, would not correspond to the conservative dictum of compact, geographically logical districts. Worse, a reasonable map adopted by the Senate would be subject to sabotage in conference committee with the House.

State Sen. Bill Ratliff, R-Mount Pleasant, said he could not vote for the House map. He and other senators not yet committed to vote along partisan lines should advertise their opposition to harmful redistricting long enough to convince their colleagues to drop the matter.

Redistricting more than once every 10 years would be bad for voters of both parties. The Senate would acquit itself well by acting on that realization


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KEYWORDS: redistricting
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To: goldstategop
They need two votes from among the 12 democrat senators if they ever want to get a piece of redistricting legislation on the Senate floor for action. Thus you are going to have to work with them in order to get their okay to bring it up. Now what results after it gets on the floor maybe another thing but I suspect it will be different from the House version. After all that's part of the legislative process, two bodies, two versions then conference committee to work out the difference.... Sounds like our system of government in operation.
21 posted on 07/09/2003 6:25:47 AM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: Clara Lou
I used to think I couldn't function without the Dallas Morning News.Now that I live in Chronicle territory and have the internet I find I live very well without the now more liberal DMN or any paper.
22 posted on 07/09/2003 6:26:43 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Such crybabies. The simple fact of democracy in action actually scares the living daylights out of every liberal in Texas. LMAO!
23 posted on 07/09/2003 6:28:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dog Gone
Just hours after the Texas House passed a congressional redistricting bill, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and key senators all but declared the House map dead.

Would those familiar with Texas law tell me wether or not the above is true? What are the chances of this passing?

24 posted on 07/09/2003 6:30:07 AM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: MEG33
We don't have the 2/3rds to overcome in the Senate


This is a tradiditon that the Senate has operated under for many years. It takes 2/3rds of the senators present and voting to bring any piece of legislation to the floor of the Senate for legislative action. A simple majority is needed to pass this type legislation.
25 posted on 07/09/2003 6:31:30 AM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: deport
Thanks.I knew we'd have to have Dem votes.
26 posted on 07/09/2003 6:31:35 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: rmmcdaniell
The House bill needs the support of RINOs and Democrats to pass the Senate. Its DOA on arrival since there aren't enough Republicans to hold together in the State Senate to overcome RINO and Democratic resistance.
27 posted on 07/09/2003 6:33:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: deport
I was reading your other post.Tradition?Hmmmm
28 posted on 07/09/2003 6:33:11 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
It's not in the rules as far as I know but it's been done that way for years and I've not seen anything that says they are going to change the manner in which they operate. I"ve seen articles/quotes in the past couple of months where they've said they intend to continue in the manner they have operated under in the past.....
29 posted on 07/09/2003 6:37:04 AM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: Dog Gone
Oh, btw. See that guy in the background in the suit and tie ??
I have decided that he is the Hall Monitor/Baby-sitter for the House 'RATS ! lol !

30 posted on 07/09/2003 6:39:22 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. Found the URL. Gotta fix it now.)
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To: deport
Ah ! Let me make sure I understand. Just to bring the bill UP in the Senate take 2/3rd's. To PASS the bill is simple majority. Right ??

I was thinking that they had to have 2/3rd's to PASS the thing. Thanks.


31 posted on 07/09/2003 6:43:53 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. Found the URL. Gotta fix it now.)
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To: Dog Gone
The House map . . .would be vulnerable to court challenges that it violated both the Voting Rights Act and the Constitution

Maybe I've been asleep here, but what is the constitutional issue?

32 posted on 07/09/2003 6:46:25 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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Another article.........
Posted on Tue, Jul. 08, 2003
Redistricting battle moves to Senate

Knight Ridder Newspapers

(KRT) - One day after the Texas House adopted a redistricting plan that would likely give Republicans a huge advantage in the state's congressional delegation, key Senate leaders from both parties said Tuesday that the proposed map has little chance of surviving.

"I cannot vote for the House map," said state Sen. Bill Ratliff, R-Mount Pleasant. "It obliterates Northeast Texas. That is the part of the state that I represent."

Ratliff, who two years ago was the State Senate's presiding officer, said he wants strong assurances from legislative leaders that any redistricting plan would protect the interests of rural Texans before he would vote to let the matter come to the Senate floor for debate.

The stand puts Ratliff at odds with many of his fellow Republicans who want to redraw the congressional lines during the special legislative session to give their party more seats in Congress and solidify the lock the GOP has gained on Texas. Republicans hold every statewide office and have majorities in both state houses.

But Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who was a longtime GOP foot soldier and financier before winning the office that presides over the Senate, acknowledged that the House plan faces serious retooling if redistricting is to move forward in the Senate.

"There are some concerns by members of the Senate on the House map that came over (Monday) night," Dewhurst told reporters. "So we're going to have to go to work on that map if we're going to see a redistricting plan come out of the Senate."

Gov. Rick Perry called lawmakers back to Austin last week for the first special legislative session in 12 years for the primary purpose of redrawing the congressional district boundaries and ending the Democrats' 17-15 majority in the 32-member delegation to Congress. Two years ago when the Texas Constitution required redistricting, the Legislature punted the chore to the federal courts.

Redistricting became an unexpected priority in Austin after U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Sugar Land began urging Texas legislative leaders to revisit the matter.

During his weekly news conference in Washington, DeLay called the House plan "a good start." The plan could give Republicans as many as 21 of Texas' congressional seats.

"It reflects the political voting trends in the state of Texas to a great extent," DeLay said Tuesday. "I'm sure that the senators will have another view. The Senate always does."

Asked whether he would be playing a role in the redistricting debate, DeLay said, "I will be. I'm sure somebody will be talking to somebody."

Meanwhile, hundreds of people packed into a college conference room in Dallas Tuesday to tell a panel of state senators what they think about current redistricting efforts

Most speakers adamantly opposed a new political map that would most likely end the careers of several incumbent members of Congress - all of them Democrats.

There were a handful of Republicans in the crowd, however, who said they strongly support a change in the congressional lines so that voters could send more GOP candidates to the U.S. House of Representatives.

State Sen. Florence Shapiro, R-Plano, said Senators had several concerns about whether the House map was fair, and she said senators would act as "independent thinkers" in drawing their version of what congressional districts should look like.

Another member of the panel, Sen. Mario Gallegos, D-Houston, was less polite about what he thought of the House-drawn map.

"They can put that map where the sun don't shine," Gallegos said.

At the Dallas hearing, many in the crowd wore "Deny DeLay" stickers. A large balloon, shaped like a rat, stood in the parking lot with a sign that said: "Rick `The Rat' Perry."

Perry called the lawmakers into special session after Democrats in the Housebolted to Oklahoma for four days in May, effectively killing redistricting during the regular 140-day session.

Republicans outnumber Democrats 19-12 in the state Senate, but under the chamber's rules, 21 members must agree to hear debate on any legislation pending on the agenda. That means 11 members can effectively block any legislation.

Democratic party leaders in Austin and Washington, D.C., have been working feverishly to secure the pledges of at least 11 of the Senate Democrats to keep any redistricting plan from coming to the floor. Two Democrats, Victoria's Ken Armbrister and San Antonio's Frank Madla, have said they might be persuaded to allow at least a debate on the matter.

Houston Democrat John Whitmire, the Senate's longest-serving member, said redistricting is the one issue that demands party loyalty even in the Texas Senate, where crossing party lines is an everyday occurrence on a wide range of issues.

"This is a defining vote," Whitmire said. "You can't be a Republican `and' a Democrat on this. You've got to choose. … I would urge them to vote with the party that has given you the opportunity to be on the ballot."

Armbrister said he's planning to offer an alternative that he believes will be fair to both parties.

"Forget the Ds and Rs," Armbrister said, using shorthand for Democrats and Republicans. "People are going to vote for who they want to vote for (in congressional races). We're looking to make sure that rural Texas still has its voice because we still drive a lot of the economy."

Ratliff said that he, too, might offer the same plan for congressional redistricting that he developed two years ago would contain as many as 19 safe GOP seats. Ratliff said the current map favors Republicans and yet several incumbent Democrats continue to be re-elected by GOP-leaning voters.

But before he agrees to vote to bring redistricting to the Senate floor, Ratliff said he wants assurances that a map to his liking will not be replaced with a plan similar to the House's version when the two chambers reconcile their differences.

"I would need some very strong assurances from the right people," he said.

Staff writers Jack Douglas Jr. in Dallas and Maria Recio in Washington contributed to this report.

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© 2003, Fort Worth Star-Telegram.


Approved map will likely be rejected by Senate
7/8/2003 5:48 PM
By: Eric Allen

Democrats and some Republicans in the Texas Senate aren't satisfied with the congressional redistricting map recently approved by the House.

Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said he was disappointed in the House not including the Senate in the map-drawing process.

"I'm not at all complaining, but as we go through this process, as we start to draft our maps on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday we're going to do everything we can to keep the House advised," Dewhurst said.

The Senate poses the immediate obstacle to redistricting. Senate rules require 21 of the 31 state senators to agree for the map to go to the floor for a vote.

There are a few of the 12 Democrats that are possible swing votes, but in order to secure their vote, the map will have to change and more minority and rural districts must remain intact.

Dewhurst said an ideal map would create more Republican seats from Texas in the U.S. House. Right now Democrats have the advantage 17-15. Dewhurst said a more fair representation would be 19-20 Republicans and 12-13 Democrats.

Senators say there is no way the approved House version of congressional redistricting map will be considered by the Senate.

"The map that came out of the House last night, I've talked to a number of senators, both Democrat and Republican, and they've got some problems with the House map," Dewhurst said.

For example, Sen. Bill Ratliff, R-Mt. Pleasant, said the map is "totally unacceptable to the people of Northeast Texas" and will have to be redrawn.

"The House appears to have overreached, and I don't think you'll find the Senate operates that way," Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, said.

It seems the Senate will take it upon itself to draw another map that reassigns congressional districts across the state, keeping in mind that at least two Senate Democrats and every Republican will have to be on-board to move the process forward.

"A fair plan is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think we ought to be here for this purpose. We're wasting $1.7 million," Sen. Gonzalo Barrientos, D-Austin, said.

The average cost of a special session is $1.7 million


33 posted on 07/09/2003 6:48:18 AM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: deport
They keep bringing up the $1.7 MILLION for the Special Session. The 'RATS should foot the bill, since their fleeing to Ardmore, Oklahoma is the reason for the SS in the first place !!

‘Democrats über alles’ = ‘Democrats over everything’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924411/posts?page=17#17


34 posted on 07/09/2003 6:52:45 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. Found the URL. Gotta fix it now.)
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To: deport
It's not in the rules as far as I know but it's been done that way for years and I've not seen anything that says they are going to change the manner in which they operate.

Dewhurst has not promised to respect that tradition. He's indicated that he'd like to, which means that if the Dems don't cooperate he'll ram it down their throats on a majority vote. There's no way the Republicans will let redistricting die now.

35 posted on 07/09/2003 6:52:56 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
The Carbuncle is leftist butt-wipe. They make no bones about printing the truth, and as admitted on their website, slant the news, not just the editorials, to support whatever leftist cause de jure they favor.

That they don't want redistricting, and will lie and whine about it, is as predictable as then sun setting in the west.

36 posted on 07/09/2003 6:53:37 AM PDT by jimt
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To: MeeknMing
I was thinking that they had to have 2/3rd's to PASS the thing. Thanks.


Nope not one of the bills that needs some type super majority.... If they can keep a quorum then a simple majority is all that is needed for passage.....


37 posted on 07/09/2003 6:56:27 AM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: Dog Gone
Dewhurst has not promised to respect that tradition. He's indicated that he'd like to, which means that if the Dems don't cooperate he'll ram it down their throats on a majority vote.


I know but he's indicated in the past he'd like to respect the tradition thus he'll go a long way in trying to accomodate them I suspect. Times and processes change but tradition carries on also. Changes need to be made in the drawing of the House map. If the House would have consulted with the Senate Leadership some maybe things would have been smoother.

The Senate is still having Public Hearings. I think the last one is scheduled today, but I can't remember what City. Then they will begin drawing their version of the districts. Ratliff isn't going to let the DFW area dominate the rural East Texas District, imo.
38 posted on 07/09/2003 7:03:27 AM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: Dog Gone
Whatever motives Wilson had for making his pact with the House leadership, a genuine desire to advance the interests of Houston's minority residents was not among them.

Were I Mr. Wilson, I would be quite offended that the Comical's editorial board presumes to know what's in my mind.
39 posted on 07/09/2003 7:05:29 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: jimt
...this $hit has got my blood boiling this morning, so I fired off a letter to the "editors" at the chronicle about it. i doubt they'll print it...it contained too many truths...
40 posted on 07/09/2003 7:05:49 AM PDT by cweese
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