Posted on 07/05/2003 7:45:12 AM PDT by BJungNan
After what was found in Iraq and learned about Saddam and Sons, it is without question that the former Iraqi regime itself was a weapon of mass destruction. Biological dirty bombs, nuclear weapons programs or sponsoring terrorist for such acts as flying planeloads of people into buildings, it is all the same.
Liberal critics of the President, however, latch on to a different post war theme. "It is not what we were told we would find" is their complaint about White House communications prior to the war. For purely political ends, they beat this drum in hopes someone will listen.
Beat as they might, nearly everyone sees the effort in Iraq had good results for our country. Few listen when they can see for themselves what should be obvious to all and is to most that a man that would hold his own people in dungeons, torture and maim them would have no second thoughts about funding another major terror strike against our country.
The message of the war has been heard. No matter what the intelligence was before the war, no matter what we were told we would find, what we found was as bad or worse. Anything now about us being misled about weapons of mass destruction is only partisan background noise against an outcome an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with.
And had we been told then what America knows now, most Americans would still have given President Bush the go-ahead to move on Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
Nope. Just wanted to point out that not all Muslim countries shelter known terrorists. Do you disagree?
So, even though the vast majority of the world agreed that Hussein had WMD and was a threat, you, offering no evidence, choose to adopt a "I'm not convinced" stance. Even though the US Congress believed Hussein a threat and said so, you, offering no evidence, choose to side with those who have proven again and again to seek political advantage in every situation. Even though Bill Clinton offered the same assessment of the Iraqi situation when he chose to bomb, you, offering no evidence, choose to believe we are simply cowboys shooting first and asking questions later.
Pre-emption is wrong in both the individual and national case. It is wrong just because you just might be mistaken. That is why our highest law, the constitution, calls for due process.
Just pathethic. UN resolutions authorized us. US Congress resolutions authotized us.
Conservative: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; Webster
Any Claim to Conservative ideals by any staunch Libertarian is a bald faced lie. Libertarians believe that individual freedom means that the government shouldn't be able to tell people what to do unless they agree with it as individuals.
What they continually forget is that the Government IS the people, and that we live in a Representative Republic so that the "general welfare" can be considered rather than being slaveishly subjegated to "individual rights", to do whatever they want, regardless of the majority opinion or societal impact.
I got the number from www.Iraqbodycount.net.
Sure, they all died from car accidents. It had nothing to do with all the bombs dropped on their heads.
Is that your best argument?
The UN Security council specifically held back on use of force authorization till after inspectors reported. Then they refused to give that authorization. That refusal was not a French veto but a lack of a majority vote. There was NO UN authorization.
Congress authorization was based on what now appears to be a false set of facts. Indeed, without the forged documents asserting uranium purchases, it would have failed, despite all the chem and bio talk. In retrospect, it appears all to have been false (maybe fraudulent, maybe stupidity).
1) They are not kids, they are pros and all are volunteers.
2) Granted, the heat is bad, but they know how to deal with it.
3) This is a war. . You NEVER are able to seperate all of the sheep from the goats. Goes with the territoy.
4) The 60 + troops we have had killed since 01 May have NT all been assasinated by locals. Some have died in accidents, which does not make it good, or them any less dead, but DOES mean that the bad guys are not as effective as we are being made to think. Lot more dead Bad Guys.
5) This is NOTHING like the 600 troops killed EVERY WEEK during Viietnam.
6) We are having some difficulty due to sabateurs and "werewolves", but we are still taking more names and kicking more butt than not.
7) I Saddam HAD WMDs, and I really believe we have found some and are sitting on the information, possibly for tactical purposes.
8) Sadam and his regime were just plain Evil, and were a threat to the entire region and to us. He SAID he would get us if he could, more than once.
File this under "preemptive strike"..
Freegards!
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It is more than amusing. It is disappointing and frustrating. Libertarians and Conservatives agree on so much that I always felt right at home on FR. When the Iraq war came up, I became a pariah and a liberal. The majority here sees everything as us or them. You can only be a conservative (agreeing 100% with the paradigm) or you are a liberal. That is both blind to reality and dangerous for the nation. They will be voting for Bush, even when it has become obvious to everyone that he lied us into a war. What they really need to do is look for a third party candidate that can actually read the constitution and save this nation from tryanny (left or right, not much difference).
Old libertarian saying: When there is a boot in your face, it makes little difference if is a right boot or a left boot.
If Iraq had no WMD, Clinton lied repeatedly.
If Iraq had no WMD, the UN lied and falsified numerous international reports.
If Iraq had no WMD, then those thousands of Iraqis and Iranians must have died by spontaneous human combustion.
The reasonable conclusion is that they indeed did have them- but they have either been transferred elsewhere or they are still hidden. Your post is foolish in that it ignores the plain truth that CLinton and UN have said FOR YEARS that Iraq possesses tons (literally) of WMD. Look at the UN report yourself.
I respect you for posting your view, but you failed to address even one of the obvious facts that entirely rebutt your assertion. How about addressing them? Then you could have a discussion.
Yet your "only" offer of proof to back up your outrageous claims of civilian deaths is from a notoriously Left-Wing web site that includes as it researchers The Co-Founders of MOW (musicians opposing war) a guitar teacher, a PHD who was awarded a doctorate for his holistic critique of Mozart's Cosi fan tutte in 1989 and a couple of undergrads in International Relations along with a retired librarian and several members of Greenpeace and the Lawyer for PeaceUK.
And you have the gall to tell others to come up with a better argument? I would be laughing if you werent so sadly pathetic.
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