My Call from the GOP

July 4, 2003 | Hildy

[sfvgt]

I was on the Ca. GOP donor, phone,mailing, list......then came 9/11. I got so many politically induced egocentric self-promoting spams from semi-important GOP party dimwits on open cc's, I quit........

[Sabertooth]

t's not that convoluted. People unable/unwilling to start at the grass roots level to change what they don't like decided to vote for Perot in their own lazy form of protest, giving the election to Billy-Bob.

That's quite convoluted, actually. Does "the buck stops here" ring a bell?

In 1992, Bush 41 lost votes that he won in 1988.
In one election he earned them, in another, he didn't.
Consequently, he lost the election to Clinton.

Conclusion: Bush 41 lost to Clinton because his job perfomance was deemed by a significant portion of his earlier constituency to be insufficient cause to vote for his re-election.

I've got no personal stake in stating the facts here; I voted for President Bush in 1992, but it's no one's fault but his that he wasn't re-elected.

No one owes a politician their vote. You can complain all you want, but enough of the electorate realizes this, so our politicians are just going to have to listen and be accountable, or risk losing.

That's political reality, without the rationalizations or convolutions.

[Jhoffa_]

People unable/unwilling to start at the grass roots level to change what they don't like decided to vote for Perot in their own lazy form of protest, giving the election to Billy-Bob.

The GOP unable/unwilling to start at the grass roots level to change what voters don't like decided to engage in their own lazy form of self denial, giving the election to Billy-Bob.

[Digger]

I'm not fond of RINOs but they are better than Daschles.

So why are you even considering these two looser parties. They have no consideration for the middle class person. Who is going to pay this defecit, who is going to pay for these prescriptions, who is paying for these foreign adventures placing debt upon dept (and you thought oil prices were going to lessen)Try this site for alternatve energy sources(http://www.phoenixproject.net/index.htm). And if you are interested in the socialist Dem party were nobody pays but only receives.... so where do you benefit? I say nowhere in this "Two-Party Cartel" except paying their misdeeds.

[The Coopster]

Maybe, but "The buck stops here" is equally convoluted. The whiners on FR seem to not want to do anything except cry about what a disappointment GW is, when he has very little to do directly with the issues they're up in arms about.

Voting for a non-viable candidate, like Perot/Buchannan/Keyes isn't the good fix. Neither is not voting. Getting involved and enacting change is. People need to get involved. Run for office. Call your congessman/senator - repeatedly, and go door-to-door urging others to do the same. Volunteer. Do something, or shut up. (Not you - I'm reffering to the spew crowd)

[Jhoffa_]

Again.. you're blaming the consumer for the failure of the corporation.

I am not a vegan, so what am I to assume when a restrauant offers only vegan meals?

What would you assume?

[Sabertooth]

Maybe, but "The buck stops here" is equally convoluted. The whiners on FR seem to not want to do anything except cry about what a disappointment GW is, when he has very little to do directly with the issues they're up in arms about.

What is the source of this need to constantly make excuses for the Bushes?

More than any other politician, President Bush is behind the push to expand the welfare state with his prescription drug scam.

President Bush also could have done a hell of a lot more to fight the influx of Illegals into this country, and 9/11 offered him a ripe opportunity. Aside from a few WoT related measures, the President's most significant effort on this matter was to try and get a stealth Section 245(i) mini-Amnesty inserted into a Homeland Security bill at the last minute. Not only would this measure have penalized tens of thousands of candidates for legal immigration, Amnesties actually encourage more Illegal Aliens to come into the country. Bush hasn't sat on his hands, he's tried to make the problem worse.

Additionally, Bush has done nothing to stop the acceptance of Mexican matricula counsular IDs by businesses and municipalities, despite the fact that they negatively impact document fraud, drug smuggling, and anti-terrorism efforts. The Mexican ID problem not only developed on Bush's watch, it did so after 9/11. This is not an "old problem that can't be solved overnight," this is a new problem that Bush has chosen not to prevent, or solve.

"The buck stops here" isn't convoluted at all, unlike the alibis that are tossed off to abet the President in avoiding accountability.

[TLBSHOW]

This is what he said: "WE WORKED HARD TO GIVE YOU PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFITS."

A Vote for Bush and the GOP is a vote for socialism! As of now, heck he may change because there are 44 republicans that have stood up to Bush and said NO NO NO...

[The Coopster]

Did you even read my post thoroughly? I'm not making excuses for anybody. Insert the name of any president you like. Bush can't change any of those things, save the rider he supposedly introduced, anymore than he can raise or lower your taxes.

I guess I must be talking to you, even though originally I thought you must be one of the rational ones. Get involved and do your part, or knock it off. Put up, or shut up. But sitting around here and wringing your hands won't change squat.

[The Coopster]

Corporations are run by boards, not by a single entity.

[Hildy]

Maybe he's an idiot, but a guy working the phones is reading from a script. That's the scary part.

[ImpotentRage]

It looks as if we are going to be paying for universal health care one step at a time, anyway. I am getting tired of hitting the wall at 80 mph being portrayed as being so much better than hitting the wall at 100 mph. Either way we are still hitting that damned wall!

[ImpotentRage]

"This 'issue stealing' stuff is beginning to take it's toll."

Totally agree. it seems to me that for all of the issues that Bush "steals" to confound and confuse the Democrats just gives us what the Democrats would have given us. Or - am I missing something here?

[Jhoffa_]

So, again..

It's the consumers fault.

[Fraulein]

"WE WORKED HARD TO GIVE YOU PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFITS."

Sheesh. They're actually proud of it. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Talk about being out of touch with their base!

Boy do I hope I get one of these calls. I'll give them an earful.

And, no, they haven't worked hard. We are the ones who are going to have to work hard to pay for all these benefits.

[The Coopster]

Are you being obtuse on purpose? It's not necessarily the consumers fault, neither is it the figureheads fault. It is the person representing said consumer, i.e., the person who makes the stuff happen (or votes for/against particular things).

And therefore, it is the consumers RESPONSIBILITY to enact the change, by hounding their representatives in governemt, or by running for office themselves. Can you grasp the whole grass-roots concept that this government runs on?