Posted on 07/03/2003 8:10:59 PM PDT by TheMole
Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, HOOVER INSTITUTION: Well, it would if we would have a one-time amnesty. But unfortunately, we've had a cycle of this and it doesn't stop the real problem, and that is simply that the Mexican government has a policy of avoiding domestic reform by exporting human capital at the rate of one or two million illegals a year, and it's in the long term deleterious for Mexico, because they don't face up to the problems they have for providing security and prosperity for their own people.
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Look, they're not criminals.
Uh, Dan, the topic of your discussion is ILLEGAL aliens. Sheesh!
How are yoiu going to track who is a day laborer and who is not? We cannot even track the people who came into this country with legal visas. Once somebody is not working do you think the liberals will send them back to where they came? What happens when they get laid off - do the get unemployment comp? If so, who is going to pay for this.
2) Require 15% of their salary be put into certified savings to cover the cost of welfar. The money is available when they return to their native state. No other taxes apply.
My federal & state income taxes are a lot higher than 15%. This figure is well below a necessary level. What about all the other services illegals consume education, medical care, roads, prisons....? Who is going to pay for all the other illegals in the US who will not/cannot work? What about the general degredation of living conditions (crowded schools, crowded roads, over used sewers, water supply...)caused by supporting at least 10 million people who should not be here? Once you give a deal like this, you will have millions more coming here.
How is this money going to be tracked - do they get SS cards? Once you require additional taxes & benefits, the cost of illegal wages goes up, and becomes a disincentive to hire them. 3) Any child born without a US citizen as parent must be citizened to the nation of one parent.
I guess you are saying no anchor babies? I agree. However once the kid & parent is in the country, who is going to make them return home when they are finished working? We cannot even track & deport those already in the country.
Do the kids get free schooling & in-state tuition? Who is going to pay for the hospital costs of the kid & their medical expenses through their life (I guess this would come from the 15% tax on wellfare)?
The solution is to aggressively pursue & deport those already in the country. We also need to eliminate the incentives to come to America – no anchor babies, no government benefits or social services, revoke FDIC insurance for banks opening accounts for illegals & accepting the Mexican ID and prosecute & severely fine business who hire illegals.
The town is filled with many of their 20-30 contemporaries, whom I know and whose parents I know, who are doing ... well ... nothing. No Job. No School Finishing. No Trade. No Military. No nothing but wind-numbing enslavement to tattoo and piercing and drug and party culture. They seem permanently stuck in Junior High and in court for stupid and varied drug misdemeanors. Oddly enough, their parents support it and them with vast sums of money, cars, clothes, and of course shelter. I am talking about probaly 150 people in a town of 3,000. That's a lot!
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This is small town Maine, not LA, yet these kids are in some sort of MTV dreamland. Local businesses are hiring Mexicans like mad because the locals "will not take this kind of work."
Well, what work will they take, and when? There's nothing wrong with Mexicans. They work hard. But they are not our children who need to work here, too. Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot wrong with a lot of them.
Why will they comply if they're not doing so now? Is this 15% withheld from the day laborer's wage or come out of the employers pocket? If it's out of wages, the day laborer will want higher wages to compensate and the employer will revert to paying cash. If the employer has to pay this 15% above wages, they'll just keep paying cash.
How is this a solution?
I love ZIP's idea, as it would ease more of OUR young ones into the labor force, with what in essence would be training wages. I also often wonder if some sort of National Service requirement might not be a good idea.
Just a thought.
They remain because the government does not have the will to implement the solution they know will solve the problem.
So consider this. Make day labor tax free for anyone, making $30,000 or less in the business. Employers have experience in withholding, and they will comply with a 15% withholding fee, put into certified savings accounts.
Everybody making $30K are going to claim to day laborers in order to qualify for this 15% tax bracket. Like I previously stated, fed & state income taxes and payroll taxes are much higher than 15%, so it would seem this amount would be inadequate to cover the cost of illegals. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that each illegal take $55,200 more in services over their life time than they contribute in taxes.
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